Preload and standard programs

[Sutur]

There's already a lot been written about preload, EXs and programs. It remains puzzling for me.
I bought a used Kronos and I'm trying to understand the logic of the default preload, combined with programs. I experimented with loading individual EXs's into a initialized Kronos, just to understand the way it works.

1.Some of the 9 EXs's also have a cooresponding PCG file, which use the samples of the EXs. That I understand. But other EXs's don't have a corresponding PCG, so what's the point of loading that EXs?

2. The PRELOAD from the factory folder seems to contain almost all of the EXs samples too. When I indivually load an EXs with a corresponding PCG, the programs are loaded into user bank U-G. When I load the PRELOAD with its PCG, bank U-G remains empty. So what's the point of having that EXs's in the PRELOAD?

Seeing the amount of questions on this forum concerning the loading of samples, preloads, pcg's etc, I think the manual should devote an article on how this actually works and how one should use it.

Thanks

[ed_f]

There's already a lot been written about preload, EXs and programs. It remains puzzling for me.
I bought a used Kronos and I'm trying to understand the logic of the default preload, combined with programs. I experimented with loading individual EXs's into a initialized Kronos, just to understand the way it works.

1.Some of the 9 EXs's also have a cooresponding PCG file, which use the samples of the EXs. That I understand. But other EXs's don't have a corresponding PCG, so what's the point of loading that EXs?

2. The PRELOAD from the factory folder seems to contain almost all of the EXs samples too. When I indivually load an EXs with a corresponding PCG, the programs are loaded into user bank U-G. When I load the PRELOAD with its PCG, bank U-G remains empty. So what's the point of having that EXs's in the PRELOAD?

Seeing the amount of questions on this forum concerning the loading of samples, preloads, pcg's etc, I think the manual should devote an article on how this actually works and how one should use it.

Thanks

Themanual explains all this, maybe not in one "article" but where appropriate. Your questions cover some different aspects. Here are some thoughts:

1. Every type of sound you add to the Kronos will need a pcg file. If you don't see one, then I would think you need to reload, or it is in another directory. The pcg is the file that puts the patches together. You can have samples loaded, but without programs and combis from a pcg there is nothing referencing them.

2. Would help to know exactly which files you are referencing, but I can make some general comments. While I don't understand the question of "why EXs's in the preload" - there is a big difference between samples that are loaded and sounds that are created.
As an example, the preload could load a piano sample that is used throughout U-A programs and sounds like a great piano. Now, you could load an Exs or pcg that uses those same samples but totally mangles them, or adds a lot of effects. Consider KRS-06 the organ patches Korg was kind enough to give away. You have a ton of organs from the preload. But this will give you a tone more, it is full of settings and parameters for things already in the machine and are additional playable sounds.
The preload keeps U-G empty because often add-ons are mapped to U-G and therefore can be loaded straight away without any difficulty or overwriting of preloads.

I think you have a little confusion on some of these terms from your comments. The answers are in the manual, but if you want to give specific examples, would be happy to explain what is probably going on.

[Sutur]

Thanks for replying.

It's difficult to phrase my question correctly, but I'll try:

The PRELOAD_V2.KSC seems to contain EXs 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. So, all but EXs 2 apparently. But these are only samples, right? No programs in a KSC.

When I init the Kronos (all programs, combi's, samples, etc are empty) and I load the PRELOAD_V2.KSC, the Kronos has still no programs. I understand that since I cleared all, so I need to load a PCG file. So I load PRELOAD_V2.PCG, of which I assume it contains the programs etc which use the samples of the KSC which I just loaded or pre-loaded at startup.

The banks are now filled with programs. But are those programs actually using the samples of the EXs's which came the the PRELOAD_V2.KSC ? You see, how would I know that I "need" the EXs samples in memory (Preload), since I can't tell if they are being used.

On the other hand, when I init the Kronos (empty all programs and samples) and just load EXs-3 (brass Woodwinds) KSC and its PCG, the EXs-3 samples are loaded from the KSC and the programs are loaded from the EXs-3 PCG and occupy bank U-G. This makes sense, since it's obvious that the voices in bank U-G will use the samples from EXs-3.

These programs in bank U-G are not there if I load PRELOAD_V2.KSC with PRELOAD_V2.PCG. So I know that the KSC loaded 8 of 9 EXs's, but there's no clue about if these samples are actually used by programs now.

Also, EXs2. 3 and 4 have corresponding PCG-files. The other6 EXs's contain samples, but there are no corresponding PCG-files. So, when/where are these samples used by? Are they used by programs in other banks than U-G ?

Like I wrote, It's difficult to phrase the question. I just miss the overview of which program needs which EXs, therefor, I don't know which EXs I definitely need to load and which EXs I don't need (when using the default PRELOAD_V2.PCG).

I hope this makes sense.

[ed_f]

Thanks for replying.

It's difficult to phrase my question correctly, but I'll try:

The PRELOAD_V2.KSC seems to contain EXs 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. So, all but EXs 2 apparently. But these are only samples, right? No programs in a KSC.

When I init the Kronos (all programs, combi's, samples, etc are empty) and I load the PRELOAD_V2.KSC, the Kronos has still no programs. I understand that since I cleared all, so I need to load a PCG file. So I load PRELOAD_V2.PCG, of which I assume it contains the programs etc which use the samples of the KSC which I just loaded or pre-loaded at startup.

The banks are now filled with programs. But are those programs actually using the samples of the EXs's which came the the PRELOAD_V2.KSC ? You see, how would I know that I "need" the EXs samples in memory (Preload), since I can't tell if they are being used.

On the other hand, when I init the Kronos (empty all programs and samples) and just load EXs-3 (brass Woodwinds) KSC and its PCG, the EXs-3 samples are loaded from the KSC and the programs are loaded from the EXs-3 PCG and occupy bank U-G. This makes sense, since it's obvious that the voices in bank U-G will use the samples from EXs-3.

These programs in bank U-G are not there if I load PRELOAD_V2.KSC with PRELOAD_V2.PCG. So I know that the KSC loaded 8 of 9 EXs's, but there's no clue about if these samples are actually used by programs now.

Also, EXs2. 3 and 4 have corresponding PCG-files. The other6 EXs's contain samples, but there are no corresponding PCG-files. So, when/where are these samples used by? Are they used by programs in other banks than U-G ?

Like I wrote, It's difficult to phrase the question. I just miss the overview of which program needs which EXs, therefor, I don't know which EXs I definitely need to load and which EXs I don't need (when using the default PRELOAD_V2.PCG).

I hope this makes sense.

You might want to take a look explanations of EXs like this in the manual:

“PCM” is another way of saying “samples.” The KRONOS has several types of PCM banks, as described below: ROM, EXs, User Sample Banks, and Sampling Mode data
For more information on the contents of the included ROM and EXs sample data, see the Voice Name List (VNL).

And also take a look at the Voice Name List - starting on page 191 you are shown what multiSamples are available as ROM or EXs 1-7 and EXs extras.

As I tried to point out you have samples (ROM,EXs etc) and pcg that puts them to use in Programs. This is true of all the sample types listed above.

The preLoad loads all that it needs, you just have the option to load more. If you have a program that needs samples that are not loaded, you will get a warning that they are not loaded.

[Sutur]

Thanks,

I know PCM/Samples etc. I understand what's in a KSC and what's in a PCG.
Indeed I checked the voicelist and other manuals. But these don't tell me which voice (program) uses what sample out of what library (default or EXs).

Thanks anyway

[xp50player]

The main Preload does not contain the entire Vintage and Brass EXs sample banks. There are optional included .pcg Program banks that use those extra samples, so you need to also preload the corresponding Exs for that. The optional Vintage is less than a full program bank and the Brass is 2 banks of programs and I think a Combi bank.