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My 2014 tribe 2....General ! Bloggish !

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:27 pm
by DrHoo
Seems i have one of the first few in the UK then & it only arrived today so don't go expecting too much at once now !!! 8)

I've had a couple of solid hours with this electribe2 & it's too early for anything conclusive because like all new interfaces it's an alien, never before seen on my desktop. I'm looking at it & still learning the location of all the different buttons. I'll start with some fundamentals, physical stuff then...

Build quality then, very good i'd say, full metal jacket :wink: but plastic trousers ! The pots feel nice & smooth, just that nice bit of resistance to stop them running away, like the emx & esx were.
There are some incremental pots...1. The main pattern select & master knob, 2. the oscillator select knob, 3. the modulation select knob, 4. the insert fx knob. These act like endless rotaries or loop-round type.
Some pots with centre indents at 12 o'clock... 1, pitch/glide knob, 2. envelope generator intensity knob, 3. pan pot. Just as you would expect really.
All the other knobs are the usual 0 - 127 type.

The sequencer pads have very little travel & a nice silky rubber feel (Perverse but good !) All the other buttons are decent quality rubber just like we're used to.

Switching it on gives the usual boot up time, short lived & then it's straight into whatever you want to do with it. I'm not into stock patterns but they're worth a browse because they highlight the sound quality & perhaps help set a bench mark. That sound quality , i can't argue with it, they have done a nice job in that department but like all these units if you want to make your own original stuff from scratch, like i do, then it's all gonna take some downtime getting to know the territory. Having said that i have written a basic 4 bar pattern on day one just by tinkering around & it did the usual electribe special trick of just sucking me in & holding me there...A familiar behavior from my esx games.

A couple of things seem like a double edged blade, both of the fx ! The inserts offer a respectable variety but there's only one edit knob so you can't say, select a delay & then adjust the time & the intensity, the delays there are preset timewise & you get one parameter which varies depending on the effect. It's too early to slag it off though because lessons are still to be learned...maybe not all bad.
The master fx then, personally i don't like x/y pads & would rather have a selection of rotary pots any day but anyway, it is what it is & i knew that when i spent the cash so i'll swallow that one & get used to it. Another way to look at it is that i can ignore them all together & just use outboard fx processors (Probably will anyway) but the master fx is still another option, better to have it than not. The ones i've tried do sound good & there are some mega long fx tails that ring for ages.

Something else nagging at me. If you look at the sequencer pads you can see they're split into 2x6, left & right. The configuration preset idea is drums along the bottom & waves along the top but you can put anything wherever you like. Maybe they did it to help us see what the hell is going on because they're not numbered like the old ones.

Check this...
When a sound plays it then gets cut off by its neighbour when that triggers. If you want your first/previous sound to continue sounding right to its tail then you have to give that part priority via the part menu but you can also give them all priority. It's like the old hi-hat cut feature from classic drum boxes but we can switch it on or off.

Not sure about groove templates just yet. They're likely best suited to intricate drum patterns, probably offer a varied velocty & timing etc.. I'll check 'em out if & when i play with the congas or bongos.

That's about it for now & i'm not going to record anything until i have a satisfactory project down. If i manage anything i actually like then i'll post it.

Keeping an open mind !

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:26 pm
by Hugo
Great info, keep us posted! :D

Re: My 2014 tribe 2....General ! Bloggish !

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:48 pm
by apapdop
DrHoo wrote: Check this...
When a sound plays it then gets cut off by its neighbour when that triggers. If you want your first/previous sound to continue sounding right to its tail then you have to give that part priority via the part menu but you can also give them all priority. It's like the old hi-hat cut feature from classic drum boxes but we can switch it on or off.
Now there's a heads up... Many thanks!!

Re: My 2014 tribe 2....General ! Bloggish !

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:57 pm
by DrHoo
apapdop wrote:
DrHoo wrote: Check this...
When a sound plays it then gets cut off by its neighbour when that triggers. If you want your first/previous sound to continue sounding right to its tail then you have to give that part priority via the part menu but you can also give them all priority. It's like the old hi-hat cut feature from classic drum boxes but we can switch it on or off.
Now there's a heads up... Many thanks!!
I'm still not sure yet if it's just the right six pads or the same all round. I'll test it out.

EDIT - There is an 'Alternate' setting in the part menu & you can select which pads perform this. 'Priority' must be a different thing.

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:23 am
by Ted3000
Thanks, Doctor. A nice preliminary write-up!

For those standard 0-127 knobs - are the results smooth? Especially interested in filter cutoff behavior when you turn the knob slowly (interpolated/slewed interally, or audibly steppy?), and curious about the same with osc pitch.

The EMX had reasonable filter cutoff resolution, but not 100% smooth. The King Korg has 100% smooth tracking, and since these are the KK filters....

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:46 am
by wasstof
I'm Too jealous for words!!...
I have to wait for Christmas Day!....
If they've even been delivered :wink:

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:37 am
by DrHoo
Ted3000 wrote:Thanks, Doctor. A nice preliminary write-up!

For those standard 0-127 knobs - are the results smooth? Especially interested in filter cutoff behavior when you turn the knob slowly (interpolated/slewed interally, or audibly steppy?), and curious about the same with osc pitch.

The EMX had reasonable filter cutoff resolution, but not 100% smooth. The King Korg has 100% smooth tracking, and since these are the KK filters....
Honestly, i didn't actually deliberately check but i didn't detect any stepping or any other unwanted behavior in the fiters. That is based on using the trio of selections on the board & not the selection of filter models, havn't been there just yet.
The pitch control, same thing, havn't noticed anything odd or unwanted.

I'm going in for a day time session today so i'll make time for some further info as it becomes apparent. Do keep in mind that some things don't always make themselves obvious in the early stages. The true knowledge base will only reveal itself as we progress, i'm not fully inside the thing yet, still looking for the doors to it's secrets.

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:09 pm
by SMK
So what Korg site did you download the update from? Has Korg US got the update now or Korg UK?

Any new links to an on line manual...with EVERYTHING?

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:10 pm
by DrHoo
I don't know which firmware i'm on as it goes. As for the manual, there's nothing different in mine from the one we've already seen on line, it's a pretty brief manual.

A little something i only just noticed here, in the normal part menu during ordinary workflow then, the part parameters are shown at the bottom of the screen & you can simply scroll left & right with the arrow buttons to see the different settings for that part.

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:35 pm
by Discore
I don't think the priority settings affect the choke groups. As far as I know it sets the priority of the voice(s) of the part. Like when you would get over 24 voices at once those with lower priority won't play.

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:45 pm
by DrHoo
Discore wrote:I don't think the priority settings affect the choke groups. As far as I know it sets the priority of the voice(s) of the part. Like when you would get over 24 voices at once those with lower priority won't play.
Makes sense, i'll go with that. Cheers. :wink:

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:21 pm
by SMK
DrHoo wrote:I don't know which firmware i'm on as it goes. As for the manual, there's nothing different in mine from the one we've already seen on line, it's a pretty brief manual.
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So you are not getting the gap when you switch parts as in the update everyone was talking about in Japan was pre-installed?

Didn't you get an English version of this?: http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Manual/e ... _PG_J1.pdf

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:49 am
by DrHoo
I still don't know the firmware. I can see the firmware update menu but no display of the current. My best guess is that it's on the first firmware & not the update (Wherever the hell that's available) .
Switching patterns does cut off the insert fx as already has been said by others. Sounds to me like it cuts off the entire program when changing to a DIFFERENT pattern.

I have to be honest, to me the whole fx section is a bit s**t. We're given some good selections of effects but with very little editing. It's like they've taken the work out of it for us & removed the creativity. I also dislike the x/y pad... Unless i'm missing a trick. The overall sound of the machine is great but my early impressions are.... Well, get an esx1 !

What do i say that ? I dunno, maybe the thing will reveal itself over time but i find myself reaching for parameters which just are not there.

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:40 am
by Olivander12
DrHoo wrote:I still don't know the firmware. I can see the firmware update menu but no display of the current. My best guess is that it's on the first firmware & not the update (Wherever the hell that's available) .
Switching patterns does cut off the insert fx as already has been said by others. Sounds to me like it cuts off the entire program when changing to a DIFFERENT pattern.

I have to be honest, to me the whole fx section is a bit s**t. We're given some good selections of effects but with very little editing. It's like they've taken the work out of it for us & removed the creativity. I also dislike the x/y pad... Unless i'm missing a trick. The overall sound of the machine is great but my early impressions are.... Well, get an esx1 !

What do i say that ? I dunno, maybe the thing will reveal itself over time but i find myself reaching for parameters which just are not there.
Does not sound that good to be honest. What about the sound? The PCM drum samples on the EMX sounded very flat, do the new ones sound better? Does the limiter/compressor master fx work well?

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:09 am
by DrHoo
Olivander12 wrote:
DrHoo wrote:I still don't know the firmware. I can see the firmware update menu but no display of the current. My best guess is that it's on the first firmware & not the update (Wherever the hell that's available) .
Switching patterns does cut off the insert fx as already has been said by others. Sounds to me like it cuts off the entire program when changing to a DIFFERENT pattern.

I have to be honest, to me the whole fx section is a bit s**t. We're given some good selections of effects but with very little editing. It's like they've taken the work out of it for us & removed the creativity. I also dislike the x/y pad... Unless i'm missing a trick. The overall sound of the machine is great but my early impressions are.... Well, get an esx1 !

What do i say that ? I dunno, maybe the thing will reveal itself over time but i find myself reaching for parameters which just are not there.
Does not sound that good to be honest. What about the sound? The PCM drum samples on the EMX sounded very flat, do the new ones sound better? Does the limiter/compressor master fx work well?
The sound is all good, no issues there & the drums are good too. Also the envelope makes for decent drum edits, the attack knob is very useful. The compressors & limiters in the fx, i havn't put them to the test yet. Thing is you can allocate one insert effect per part & if i want a timed delay on a snare say then all that's left is the master effect. It's tricky because there is only one pair of outputs too which means if you want to use an outboard reverb you have to apply it across the entire mix, not always a good idea with bass lines & everything getting merged & messy. It kinda leaves us with just the two onboard fx unless you want to record different loops at a time or utilize the ableton options or save wave loops.

People who like to jam could get a lot out of this box. It does sound somewhat dismissive i know but really some downtime is needed before anyone can be conclusive.

I'll know more in a few days but i have to work too so dedicated time with it is at a bit of a low.