Programming AUTO FILL ON/OFF in next PA OS Upgrade

[Snorkum]

I have a poll going for this feature to be incorporated in the next OS upgrade across the PA series of Keyboards.
It is a feature that will allow the AUTO/FILL on/off to be programmed in the Songbook or Performance. Below you'll find the link
which I did in another forum. I would appreciate it if you could go on there and participate in it. The more we have the better it is.
I will turn this in to Korg and see what they do. Just click on yes or no.
Thank you very much for participating.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=95631

[AntonySharmman]

Thought we support it , Pa3X OS as the flagship , has individual settings for every STS/Performance including auto-fill options.
KorgPa decided after Pa600 , to remove this feature and instead set a global function, maybe an extra reason to justify
the insisting high price of Pa3X.

[Snorkum]

I am sorry Anthony, but I do not understand your post. What does Global has to do with my request to be included in the next OS upgrade, for PA900?
I hope that there are more important reasons, why the PA3X is $2,000.00 more than the 900, other than the Auto-Fill on/off programming.

[AntonySharmman]

I have a poll going for this feature to be incorporated in the next OS upgrade across the PA series of Keyboards.

This is what you wrote in Pa3X section ... so FYI concerning PaSeries generally as you mentioned , Pa3X/Pa2X/Pa800
already have this feature and also Pa3X indeed has 2000 reasons to be more expensive !
BTW I already voted for you , to gain this feature for Pa900/Le models !

[Snorkum]

I appreciate this. The reason I placed this in this section, first, I was not aware the PA3X had this feature already and second, sometimes I assume people like me go into this section and read about certain items that might pertain to the PA900.
I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

[Dikikeys]

Most arrangers have this parameter stored with the Performance. The PA600/900 seems one of the few that you HAVE to remember for each Performance whether you want it on or not. So suggesting that this tiny, but inconvenient OS lapse is worth the $2000 price bump from the PA900 (about $1900) to the PA3Xpro (about $3800) is a bit much! Especially as the status USED to be stored on lower models, this sounds more like a lapse of memory on the PA600/900 designers (remember the missing FingerMode issue that Korg fixed in the last update?) than any deliberate effort to sabotage the mid-line arrangers to force them to go TOTL...

And having the auto-fill status as a global thing makes absolutely no sense. Not ALL songs need it on or off. It depends on the song, and should be stored with the song...

I urge EVERYONE to go sign this petition, even if your PA3X currently does store the status of the Auto-Fill feature... You want Korg to realize how important this feature is, before they take it off YOUR PA3X some time!

Letting them cut much used features on newer models sets a poor precedent...

[karmathanever]

You want Korg to realize how important this feature is, before they take it off YOUR PA3X some time!
Letting them cut much used features on newer models sets a poor precedent...

Korg haven't actually done that - they've just produced smaller and cheaper models by cutting some features.
You are now sounding like someone else I know… can't think of his name.

It is stupidity to sign a petition by PA3X owners for something that EXISTS in their keyboard and hence Korg HASN'T changed and is most likely NOT going to do in future ranges (so far, no record of this!!!).
These keyboards are DIFFERENT models in the current range and although it may be frustrating to buy one and find that what used to be there in a previous range now isn't just means that you chose a model without those features.

All the detailed specs are freely downloadable!!!

[Snorkum]

And having the auto-fill status as a global thing makes absolutely no sense. Not ALL songs need it on or off. It depends on the song, and should be stored with the song...

I am very sorry. I feel like I am a dummy. I still don't understand what you guys talk about the Global Fill-in status. The only step I see is that I can assigned to my foot pedal. Wow. I still have to remember.
So now I assigned from my finger to my foot.

I really appreciate everyone that is trying to help me getting this accomplished. You never know until you try. The only thing they can say is no. How many times have I heard this word in my life.

You are correct they put the three finger chord back, why not this.
A big thank you

[Dikikeys]

Karma, you may have read recently about functions that USED to be on older models that have been dropped. Just because it hasn't happened to TOTL arranger users (or can anyone point out something that Korg TOTL's used to do they no longer can?) lately doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

What's the thinking behind taking something off that used to work? Running out of OS room? Hardly!

Look, the Fingered Mode thing was something else that USED to be on MOTL arrangers. Then it disappeared. And there was quite a hullabaloo about it, and lo and behold! It made a magic reappearance in the last OS upgrade for the PA900/600.

We believe that this Auto-Fill status function no longer being included in the OS isn't anything deliberate, and is probably just as easily fixed as the Fingered Mode thing was. The code already exists...

It's a pretty primary function, and, as I pointed out, most other MOTL and BOTL arrangers from other companies store it. And so, once, did Korg. All we'd like is some help getting the need to Korg, and the more signatures, the better. Or don't PA3X players really give a rats about anyone with a lower model Korg?

[dimitris]

I also believe that KORG must incorporate in Songbook the ability of saving the AutoFill status in each song separately.

Regards,
Dimitris

[karmathanever]

Or don't PA3X players really give a rats about anyone with a lower model Korg?

PA3X players simply bought the keyboard with the features they needed.

This whole "Korg should add all the features we want in their BOTL/MOTL models just because they existed elsewhere in a previous life" is total nonsense.

You would not expect this from other products and their respective manufacturers - these arguments are so illogical, unrealistic and ridiculous.

Try applying this approach to the manufacturer of next car you buy - you will be laughed at - and yes, it is exactly the same thing.

My PA3X doesn't have speakers - I don't expect Korg to just supply them because their cheaper models do - exactly the same "logic" (or lack of) you are applying.
There's a simple solution to this and that is - be prepared, know what you need and are buying - be sure of your expectations - that means a bit of research.
All the detailed specifications are there for all to analyse.

Let's face it Korg have supplied new undocumented features for us since the i-series days - they are, as an example, 100% more supportive than Yamaha in this regard. Many new professional styles - FREE - superb new functionality etc..etc…

Korg offer a decent range:-
PA300
PA600
PA900
PA3XLe
PA3X

Read about them and choose the one to suit your needs - what is the problem?

[karmathanever]

I also believe that KORG must incorporate in Songbook the ability of saving the AutoFill status in each song separately.

Reasonable request except what about those who don't want the auto-fill saved in SONGBOOK - i.e. people who always want it ON or OFF (same applies to STS button too)

If that was implemented you would then get owners wanting it removed.

However, I guess they could make Auto-fill a 3-way button like STS where
ON=on always,
OFF=off always
BLINKING=follows songbook entry

Just a thought.

Pete

[siebenhirter]

This whole "Korg should add all the features we want in their BOTL/MOTL models just because they existed elsewhere in a previous life" is total nonsense.

This is your personal opinion, but it does not coincide with the PublicRelation from Korg as you can find in www and product-folders as an example like:

"The existing product range is constantly evolving through software updates and additional options.

FUTURE-PROOF INVESTMENT: The operating system can be updated via periodically so-called updates, which KORG makes for the delight of the users. Such updates can be found occasionally on www.KORG.de or www.KORGPA.com".

So it would be nonsense if such updates never would be made as previously announced with advertising - independently of Korg offers a decent range of keyboards. It also is not stupidity to sign petitions with the excuse that different models are in the current range to choose a model with features that specs are detailled and freely downloadable is possible.
There is no reason not to rely on meaningful updates to improve OS of each existing model - updatable OS are a property KORG should use as announced.

Some ideas to update OS:

- What about a additional Songbook-function "Previous Song" in Custom-Lists like only "Next Song" does exist? (all ranges)

- What about Cue-Mode for Style-Elements would be saved in Style-Performance, to be able not to duplicate Styles? (all ranges)

- Tracks are grouped together (Dr/Perc, Accomp, Bass groups), to allow (only) for instant play/mute of several tracks at the same time. What about also allow the average volume of grouped Style tracks (Drum/Perc, Accomp and Bass) that will not change when choosing a different Style? (current range Pa600/900)

- What about ... (you know its Fill-Mode etc etc ... )

"Korg should not add all the features just because they existed elsewhere in a previous life" but because operating system can be updated periodically for the delight of the users (sometimes they did as announced with Future-proof investment).

[karmathanever]

because operating system can be updated periodically for the delight of the users

Yes, come on Korg, allocate the resources, spend the time and money (at your expense), perform the OS changes, perform the necessary extensive testing phases and make these keyboard models do the same things - I'm sure you'll stay in business…..


Now I'm amused….

…and now….wait for it…… here it comes…….

[Snorkum]

Wow. I didn't mean to open up a can of worms.
All I wanted was just Auto fill on/off feature in Songbook. Just the same as they have with SYNCHROSTART on/off, or MEMORY on/off.
I just tried to keep it very simple. However, there are always people who have to go off the deep end, to say the least.

And, Karma, your comment is hillerious and funny. I laughed my a** off.

But, that's not what I want Korg to do. All I was saying was, when they do the next OS upgrade, whenever that is, maybe they can include this feature. Nothing complicated. If they do they do, if they don't oh well I tried. I don't even know how to go about letting them. I thought a poll would be a good start. But unfortunately I am getting flag for that one also. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.