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Hi
I've been searching everywhere and still not found a good answer. If anyone from Turkey here can help me that would be great.

if you watch videos in youtube, people are using the joystick a lot when performing Turkish music (and Arabic as well) but it seems their joystick is not just High-Low pitch effect. They sometimes move the joystick all the way to left and right but you never hear the high or low pitch... to me it's a different effect.
Can someone please tell me what effect is being used on oriental instruments and how to create that?
I really appreciate your help
Thanks

ismaximum wrote:Hi
I've been searching everywhere and still not found a good answer. If anyone from Turkey here can help me that would be great.

if you watch videos in youtube, people are using the joystick a lot when performing Turkish music (and Arabic as well) but it seems their joystick is not just High-Low pitch effect. They sometimes move the joystick all the way to left and right but you never hear the high or low pitch... to me it's a different effect.
Can someone please tell me what effect is being used on oriental instruments and how to create that?
I really appreciate your help
Thanks

The joystick can control many many different modulation parameters with JS+-X & JS+-Y control. Best to get the Advanced Editing manual and read up on modulation sources in Effects starting at page 107. You will find that the factory sounds are just 'suggestions' and you can customize every sound in the PA3x and create totally new sounds with custom modulation control with 1000's of parameters available to you.

You can find the Advanced Edit manual here ...

http://www.korgpa.com/support/products/ ... nuals.html

Thoraldus wrote:
The joystick can control many many different modulation parameters with JS+-X & JS+-Y control. Best to get the Advanced Editing manual and read up on modulation sources in Effects starting at page 107. You will find that the factory sounds are just 'suggestions' and you can customize every sound in the PA3x and create totally new sounds with custom modulation control with 1000's of parameters available to you.

You can find the Advanced Edit manual here ...

http://www.korgpa.com/support/products/ ... nuals.html

Thank you so much. This is the exact reason I have posted this question here. There are thousands of combination but I am pretty sure that they are using a specific combination to simulate oriental intruments naturally. I hoped someone from the middle east or expert in oriental music asnwer my question.

Thanks again

The JOYSTICK is used in Middle Eastern Music to add more realism through expression, trying to emulate for example, a violin or a clarinet,microtunings not only can be programed in user banks but can also be done in realtime using the joystick. There are alot of scales and microtunings and they all vary depending from what region that you are, although they would sound the same, can you learn this technique? not really, it's a lifestyle or part of the culture of were you are from.

Perhaps the ribbon makes a better micro tuning adjustment tool than the lever?

I use a keytar with a ribbon, and it is quite easy to place my finger slightly ahead or behind the zero 'bump' to adjust intonation for certain notes but when I take it off, there's an immediate 'jump' back to normal pitch, rather than the slide back to it that releasing the lever always causes (it's quick, but not THAT quick!).

Of course, Korg's ribbon has a couple of issues I'd sure like to see improved... For starters, there's no way to 'rest' your finger on it without it having immediate effect. The older ribbon keyboards (Moog's, Kurzweil's, Yamaha's etc.) you could place your finger on the strip lightly and nothing happens until you press down a tad more firmly. MUCH better, IMHO. The act of having to hover over the strip until needed is more stress on the hand.

And there's no 'bump' or line at the zero spot on the ribbon itself (I know there's a little raised dot on the surround to the strip, but it's not as tactile and easily found) to guide your finger to a good zero before you press for the bend.

It's funny how the little things add up.

To be fair to Korg, IMHO there hasn't been a good keytar for decades compared to the old Yamaha KX-5, and many new keyboards with strips suffer the same problem, but despite its primitive MIDI, ergonomically, the old KX05 has few if any peers, and its touch strip was by far easier to use and control than any of these modern light touch strips.

I have often had my beefs with Yamaha over their 'sound' (particularly their arrangers), but with the exception of the horrible PSR series' action one thing they tend to get right is ergonomics.

For tricks like trills and intonation jumps, being able to rest the finger on the strip lightly before you need to press for the jump is a huge advantage.