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muziksculp · Junior Member Joined: 11 Aug 2002 Posts: 75

The M3 keeps impressing me more, and more, every day I use it !

At first, I thought the M3 was just good sounding, but as I began editing the presets programs, and combinations, the M3 began showing off its real colors ! Wow, ths thing can sing !

A very important factor is the M3's "effects processor". It is an integral part of the sound you hear, so the way you use IFX , MFX , and TFX and EQ will have a significant effect on the overal sound characteristics of the M3.

It can go from very warm, analog like (which the M3 does very well, and not that many synths out there do it), or you can also go to a sharp, penetrating digital characteristic, all depending on the way the effects system is used.

In addition to the effects processor, the programs themselves can be enhanced quite a bit, depending on what you are trying to achieve, for example, many of the preset programs are programmed using only MS1 for OSC1 and OSC2. but, you can use MS2, MS3, and MS4) for each OSC, with crossfade settings for more detailed, and rich sound design, although this will consume more polyphony, and will require quite a bit of time programming.

korg_nikos · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject:

Anything we could say on this topic will lead us nowhere. Do you know why? Cuz in general terms sound and it's quality could be a very subjective issue.

People decode the sound with a lot of different references. I could talk about waveform composition and wave convolution but i guess that would complicate things.

My opinion is that the M3 has some good stuff but i think that you guys overrate it. It is not such an evolution from Triton Series (especially Extreme version). Ok it features the Karma2 but according to my opinion we are not dj's. We are musicians!

A large part of Balkan, Greek, and generally Middle East and Oriental keyboard players actually dont like it. Do you know why? It features no Physical Modelling. This is essential for our music.

I would not even give 100 euros to obtain this synth. I have moss and solo-tri in my extreme and trinity and the sounds i get with those two babies are far away better than M3 ones.

When the matter comes to western music which we do also play... ok it is a good instrument but not something outstanding.

I think that this is the reason that M3 was cheap enough in Greek market in comparison to other western countries.

When the synth was first introduced i could buy it for 1800 Euros. I think that the price now could drop by 100 euros more.

I am not trying to "glorify" Triton and Trinity. I am just trying to be as much objective as possible.

Please note that i am not talking about the presets. I have checked it as much as deeply as i could

Thanks and Regards

muziksculp · Junior Member Joined: 11 Aug 2002 Posts: 75

korg_nikos · Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject:

I totally agree but consider this...

Which keyboard of Korg was dedicated to Balkan Greek or Middle East music? None of them.

You have right about the sounds of M3 and i am not suggesting that this keyboard is not a nice piece.

What i am trying to say is no matter what exb pcm Korg releases they wont be anywhere near Physical Modelling...cuz sample is just a "picture"...a static piece of sound. It can get a lot of modifying but Physical Modelling is another story.

Another sad thing is that Yamaha did also the same with the XS series. ES featured PM with the optional VL board but sadly these features were not included in the XS.

Perhaps both companies considered that PM is not a good marketing tool. The truth is that many find it difficult to program.

Anyway what i am trying to say is not that the M3 is not good. I am just saying that it doesn't suit my needs. That simple.

Thanks and Regards

muziksculp · Junior Member Joined: 11 Aug 2002 Posts: 75

Yes, I understand your point. Physical Modeling is very different when you comapre it to ROM based samples, but PM has not been very successful IMHO in producing very convincing acoustic emulations. The sounds are still quite synthy, but with much more character, and detail, unless I missed something this has not changed much so far.

On the software side of things, PM technology seems to be advancing quite rapidly, but that is SW, and we are talking about HW based keyboards.

So, I wonder, what seems to be the most popular keyboard workstation for Greek, Middle Eastern, Balkan, and other world instrument sounds, that is NOT an arranger type keyboard, it seems these types of sounds are always bundled in arrangers, for playing live in clubs, and/or concerts. i.e. (Yamah PSR, or Korg Pa series are arranger keyboards.)