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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: Korg keyboard's Demo, why? ;) |
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I write this with all the sympathy to Korg...
I "love" Korg, I like their keyboards since I've tried my first Korg, the T3. Since this "revelation" Korg is the first choice for me to get "inspired" with a keyboard (speaking about rompler).
Speaking about the M50: I've tried all the sounds, plus the M3 programs. The sound palette of the presets of the M50 is really impressive, and cover a lot of different "music eras". There are a lot of wonderful analog-like pads, leads and synths, (not mention what you will able to do taking the "raw wavesynth samples" as OSC and filtering them in analog style), a lot of sounds from the "digital era", in D-50 style and similar, which I like a lot, some really really good electric pianos, and solinas, and arp2600 samples, and many many more to do great sounds. There is plenty of sounds that made the history of the synthesizer magic.
So... looking at the demos you wonderful magician of the electronic sounds put on the web to demonstrate the new keyboards like the M50... (see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30Xgr3OzuU ), why in hell you demonstrate the piano, some clav, some cheesy real instrument fac-simile (is not a M50 fault, real instruments, except well sampled piano maybe, are always a bit cheesy in a rompler), and a couple of arranger-like-arpeggiator-infested combis?
The M50 is not this, is much much more!
The M50 is able to do a lot of wonderful sounds, please demonstrate these sounds in your video demos.
With love :p
Andrew _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Korg keyboard's Demo, why? ;) |
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klarnet basowy wrote: | looking at the demos you wonderful magician of the electronic sounds put on the web to demonstrate the new keyboards like the M50... (see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30Xgr3OzuU ), why in hell you demonstrate the piano, some clav, some cheesy real instrument fac-simile (is not a M50 fault, real instruments, except well sampled piano maybe, are always a bit cheesy in a rompler), and a couple of arranger-like-arpeggiator-infested combis? |
Unfortunately, many people new to keyboards expect those sounds and those features.
There is a small "mom and pop" music store in town that opened about 3 years ago. After they were open for awhile I asked the keyboard department manager if they were selling many synths and workstations.......and the answer was "no." I was told, "the biggest sellers in the keyboard department are entry-level digital pianos and a few arranger boards".
Even the department manager--who owns a Yamaha Motif XS by the way--confessed that he really doesn't know how to program it. _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Korg keyboard's Demo, why? ;) |
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Synthoid wrote: |
There is a small "mom and pop" music store in town that opened about 3 years ago. After they were open for awhile I asked the keyboard department manager if they were selling many synths and workstations.......and the answer was "no." I was told, "the biggest sellers in the keyboard department are entry-level digital pianos and a few arranger boards".
Even the department manager--who owns a Yamaha Motif XS by the way--confessed that he really doesn't know how to program it. |
oh my God...
I hope the future of keyboard will not go in the direction of many "cool" features with worse sounds... _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
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kimu Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1133 Location: Italy,Milan
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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i think it is going to "touch one key and the keyboard to it all for you"
also somewhere have to be recognized that korg WS (and also yamaha en roland) is not very much friendly to program. even the EXB-RADIAS on the M3 is a lot worse to program than a traditional VA
and i am not saying this only beacuse of missing knobs or because you have to browse menu pages but the overall setting for programming is quite hard to fully understand...
the best MMI i have seen is the one of V-synth. V-synth it's at least as complex as any korg ws as features and sonic possibilities, but they manage to keep interface simple and clear and most important you have the same confidence as you are programming a traditional VA/analog synth. |
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StudioMan Senior Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 271 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that little video was enough to help sell me!
Really, the biggest selling points I can see: 1) quality of the sounds.
2) touch screen (which is the cause of the 3rd item) 3) ease of use.
I'm hard into the manuals. Amazing what all the M50 can do. I'm so impressed. Each day I learn more & more..
I feel sorry for people (or I should say the company owners) who have to go to work, then wait till night to mess with a new M50.. I'm full time at it right now (Luckily, I'm a full-time musician/Studio operator). Literally spending 8 to 10 hrs per day trying to figure this thing out to it's full potential.
Just my 2 cents!
Mike |
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FifthElement Junior Member
Joined: 04 Dec 2008 Posts: 91 Location: Chester, UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Acoustic pianos, EPs, organs, guitars, strings, brass and other "real" sounds are what many players buy a keyboard for - particularly if they play live in a band.
They are also a good way to evaluate a keyboard. Synthy, swoopy sounds are easy to create, but emulating a real acoustic instrument is much harder - just one of the reasons that Korg lost it's dominance in the market to Roland and Yamaha in recent years.
The ROMpler sounds are actually a big part of the market and it looks like Korg might finally have something to win some of it back. Which is why they need people to hear how good these "bread and butter" sounds are.
If I wanted my new board to sound like a D50 - I'd have kept the one I had all those years ago! |
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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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FifthElement wrote: | of it back. Which is why they need people to hear how good these "bread and butter" sounds are.
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Ok. I see the point, but this is not the point I look to buy keyboard. I want the ability to create electronic sounds... and the M50 has a lot to say in this respect, and, imho, it will be good if KOrg let the potential customers know of this ability in their demos... my two cents... M _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
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FifthElement Junior Member
Joined: 04 Dec 2008 Posts: 91 Location: Chester, UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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klarnet basowy wrote: | FifthElement wrote: | of it back. Which is why they need people to hear how good these "bread and butter" sounds are.
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Ok. I see the point, but this is not the point I look to buy keyboard. I want the ability to create electronic sounds... and the M50 has a lot to say in this respect, and, imho, it will be good if KOrg let the potential customers know of this ability in their demos... my two cents... M |
I think we represent 2 of the different target customer types for Korg, and they might just be able to satisfy all of us with the M50. I'm certainly being tempted away from Roland and Nord for the first time in many years.
Let's face it, it's hard for any company to show everything in a vid demo - we have to go and feel/hear for ourselves.
btw, do you use a 61 or an 88? |
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YamahaForums Full Member
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 117 Location: Near London,UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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It's very simple really. Korg need to employ a guy like Bert Smorenburg who demo's Yamaha gear. That guy could sell ice to Eskimos! but his main talent is being able to show all aspects of an instrument in a exciting and dynamic way.
If I were to rely on demo vids from Korg and Roland I would never have bought either of their products.
Best thing is get to a store and demo it for yourself. Also preferably go to a specialist store where they should have someone who can show you the full range of what the instrument can do.
Personally I absolutely love the M50. I have to say though, the official video from Korg was actually putting me off buying one! Good job I used a bit of common sense and checked it out for myself _________________ https://yamahamusicians.com |
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Joined: 13 May 2002 Posts: 2292 Location: Port Rowan, Ontario, Canada
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valen
Joined: 05 Nov 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I am in the first camp. I want to hear how the "real" instruments sound because I play (guitar) in a classic rock band and now want to add some keys. How is the Piano , EP, Organs , Horns , Strings in the M50 compared to Roland say Juno Stage or lower end Fantom ? |
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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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valen wrote: | How is the Piano , EP, Organs , Horns , Strings in the M50 compared to Roland say Juno Stage or lower end Fantom ? |
The sounds you're looking for in the M50 compare well with other keyboards at this price range. I was never really overwhelmed with the Juno G or Juno Stage (88-key version). Plus, the M50 has more performance features than its competitors, including dual arps, drum tracks, and a touch screen.....a big plus.
By the way--the Juno Stage is a "lower-end Fantom." The new Fantom G costs quite a bit more than entry-level workstations.
You could of course look for a used Roland Fantom-X. _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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FifthElement Junior Member
Joined: 04 Dec 2008 Posts: 91 Location: Chester, UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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The Juno stage sound set is based on the FantomX sound set (used in the Sonic Cell), including the best 88 note FantomX piano. I've owned an X7 fairly recently.
To me, this sound set on the Stage actually sounds better, they seem to have "tweaked" the sounds (particularly organs) and maybe the output is cleaner/better resolution or whatever. It's always subjective, but it did sound good for this price level.
Having said that, the M50 sounds were very impressive too. I'm really torn between the two now, although I would have to go for the M50 88 as the 76 note isn't available - and anyway that Korg 88 keybed is really nice! |
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YamahaForums Full Member
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 117 Location: Near London,UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I would say, as a guitarist myself that Roland and Yamaha have much better acoustic guitars. The one's on the M50 are ok but they really don't sound as realistic as Rolands or Yamaha. I have owned the Fantom X6, Fantom XA and JunoG so I can compare quite well.
The Piano's on the M50 sound fine to me, probably not as warm as Roland's offerings but certainly up there with the best.
People may be forgetting that the M50 is an "entry" level synth. It does what it does very well but you can't expect it to do everything we all want. That's why it doesn't cost a fortune. It is however exceptionally good value for money.
The only way to know for sure though is to actually play the thing side by side with a Roland or Yamaha because that's the only way you are going to tell if it's right for you and will suite your particular needs. _________________ https://yamahamusicians.com |
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