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realtrance · Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 28

mrk btw have the MS20 app on my iPad, love it, for what it is; the sound is amazingly good. Is it as much fun as a real MS20? No, but it's a blast to have something so portable that provides at least some of the patching fun the MS20 has; I wish Moog had gone as far, instead of releasing Filtatron... oh well.

If Korg released all the rest of Kronos on iPad... I'd still want the Kronos, though. To be able to call it all up, instantly, on a real keyboard, that's the ultimate thing.

And Bachus, quite true, and significantly cheaper, but the thing that appeals on Kronos to me (that _almost_ appealed on Fantom with the ARX cards.....) is that it's taken the next step towards enabling more expressive use of synth resources, in a more seamless way, something all of hardware/software instrumentdom is heading towards (V-Synth, Kontakt, etc.). With my XP-80 even with an XV-5080 that performative upgrade isn't there. I truly think that's an advance in synthesis, not just in tech; for years, we've worked with the limitations imposed by electronic music technology, made those limitations an intrinsic strength, even. What's been missing though is the kind of performative, expressive "flow" that musicians have gotten traditionally out of non-electronic instruments. I think the past few years the technology's started to reach the point where if you're after that in your music-making, you don't have to fight the technology any more, or let it impose its own characteristics on what you're after. That's the appeal for me, at least.

billbaker · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject:

OK, buy a Kronos... because you MUST!!! [KORG say so.]

But don't KEEP it -- take it as an opportunity to REALLY thumb your nose at KORG and just... give it away.

Instead of posting "Free Kronos" atart another thread entitled "Convince me not to not give you my Kronos".

If anyone posts for any reason you can complain they are off topic and therefore keep the thing.

Damn

You may end up having to play it, too.

BB
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realtrance · Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 28

Bill, I'm assuming that's tongue in cheek... Smile

I think I'll definitely pick up a Kronos at some point; just a matter of money, time, etc.

Meanwhile yes, back to playing, thanks for the reminder. Wink

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SpIdErWeB · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:33 am Post subject:

Don't not buy it... or just gimme the money I will take care of it for you. LOL

Anyway the iPad does have the iElectribe, Kronos doesn't even have it... Very Happy

Phil

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MartinHines · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:56 am Post subject:

If you are happy with your current keyboard, keep it.

Given its age you probably can not get much money for it, so I see only two options:

1. Keep your XP-80 and forget about Kronos
2. Keep your XP-80 and also buy a Kronos when you can afford it.

I have a Fantom XR rack unit sound module that I never plan to get rid of because there are some specific sounds on them I really like.

dimitris · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject:

Don't buy "Kronos"! Wait until "Zeus" is released!! Laughing

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billbaker · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject:

Realtrance (+ others)

Re: the sound palate and vintage gear

I think you're right about NOT selling your old gear, at least not immediately IF you're using it or referring to it regularly.

But if you've got a piece of vintage gear and you're only going to it for a handful of signature sounds, my advice would be to see what you can do to clone 'em on the Kronos. As a purely intellectual exercise it would be a good way to begin to learn the potential in the K's synth engines.

The act of sound design is really about using your ears to find what's in YOUR head. You may start out trying to emulate something you heard on a recording; a sonic memory from a favorite recording. You may have a particular sound in mind; you may twist knobs in no particular order. And there is no wrong answer, only a challenge we all accept as musicians -- how do I USE that sound?

But it's kind of like Zen archery - blindfolded, aim at a target you know is there but cannot see. Draw back, and let fly.

Maybe it was a bullseye.

Maybe there are a thousand targets you didn't see because of the blindfold... and what's that in the distance? The broad side of a barn?

Every arrow hits something eventually. But not if you don't shoot.

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realtrance · Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 28

Bill,

Excellent perspective; I actually made it a point years ago to try to recreate a patch I'd made on my Nord Modular in my Andromeda. Architecture, _completely_ different; but I had the sound in my head and was curious to see how close I could get the Andromeda to sounding like the Nord, for that patch.

How I got to the sound was completely different, architecturally, on each instrument, and it was an interesting exercise trying to get an analogue synth sound like a digital one... and I learned quite a bit about the Andy along the way.

But that's the thing; if I'd ditched the NM at that point I might not have been able to do any kind of compare and contrast, or even been inspired to embark on the project in the first place.

Unfortunately, over time, if you keep everything though you start to run out of ROOM to put it all..... Wink

billbaker · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:

...Then maybe a better title for this thread is:

Convince me not to sell everything I own to GET a Kronos.

B "still got a room full of gear I have to sell" B
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SpIdErWeB · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject:

Hmmm... it's hard to tell, it depends what you're attempting to sell.

Because there's some gear I wouldn't sell. Because old gear doesn't mean bad gear. We always try to get the best and last stuff (phone, computer, keyboard, etc...), but we forget to explore the capacities of the current and past stuff.

So, it's hard to tell... I did sell a lot of gear (sell, buy something else, sell, buy another one, etc...) and in the end, I don't want to sell anything anymore. But there's also some gear I wouldn't even think about it and would sell in a heartbeat... so it depends...

Phil