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Slovenec Full Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 170
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:30 am Post subject: No XLR phantom powered mic input on Kronos? |
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The Oasys offered phantom powered XLR mic inputs. The Roland Fantom G offers 1 of these also.
Why did Korg not include at least 1 XLR input with phantom power if they're marketing the Kronos as a 'do it all workstation'?
Yep it's good that you can use your favourite external mic pres via SPDIF but still when living on that desert island and you only want to take one peice of hardware....................! _________________ MIDITEK MUSIC PRODUCTION RECORDING & TUITION- albums, demos, jingles. Recording, arranging & mixing. |
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MartinHines Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3036 Location: Topeka, KS (USA)
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Cost control. To get the Kronos price, Korg had to remove some of the expensive hardware items that were on the OASYS.
All workstations are "compromise" products. |
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Slovenec Full Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 170
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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MartinHines wrote: | Cost control. To get the Kronos price, Korg had to remove some of the expensive hardware items that were on the OASYS.
All workstations are "compromise" products. |
Yep point taken.... however, Roland was able to include this on their Fantom G series for example and they aren't an Oasys priced instrument.
At least 1 phantom powered mic pre should have been included in a product marketing itself as a music workstation with a 16 track audio recorder.
If I was in the market for a Kronos, it honestly wouldn't be a deal breaker and no doubt I'd prefer to use my Focusrite Twin Q preamp via SPDIF into the Kronos. However, for someone wanting just one bit of gear to take away and use for demos when they're on holiday whilst they leave the big studio at home, then it could be a deal breaker at the price. _________________ MIDITEK MUSIC PRODUCTION RECORDING & TUITION- albums, demos, jingles. Recording, arranging & mixing. |
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NuSkoolTone Approved Merchant
Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 1069
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Bro, if you're serious do yourself a favor and get a real mic preamp. A good Mic preamp starts at about half the price of Kronos.
The preamp that korg would include is probably no better than what you would find on a mackie or even behringer mixer! Taking a direct out from a mixer to the keyboard is a trivial affair. If you don't at least have one of these, then I don't know what to say. _________________ Korg: KRONOS 73, M50-61, 01W/r
Yamaha: Motif XS7, FS1R
Kawai K5000S, Roland JD-990 w/Vintage Synth |
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Sina172 Platinum Member
Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 1194
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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guillex Full Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 206
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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MartinHines wrote: | Cost control. To get the Kronos price, Korg had to remove some of the expensive hardware items that were on the OASYS.
All workstations are "compromise" products. |
Well, for me it's not important the xlr mic input, but, cost control??? In my country, Argentina, the prices will be:
Kronos 61: U$S 3.710,00
Kronos 73: U$S 4.231,00
Kronos 88: U$S 4.440,00
And as a reference, a person takes about 1000 dollars monthly in a GOOD job.
By the way, the M3 61 cost NOW, 1995 dollars...
So, Kronos will be for rich people here.... _________________ Current Gear: Nord Stage 2 sw 73 - Clavinet D6 - Kurzweil Artis
Past Gear: Korg Krome 61 -Hammond SK1 73 - Korg M3 61 Expanded Radias - Korg M50 73 - Korg N5EX - Korg N1R - Korg TR 76 - Korg TR 88
http://guilleportogarcia.com |
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SpIdErWeB Full Member
Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 209 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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3, 4 or 5 years from now, Korg will have good returns in their development cost with the Kronos sells... so they could release a Kronos 2 with XLR, LEDs for faders and knobs, some software improvements (new sounds, new features, etc..), Pads and eventually a tilted screen, probably for the same price (or cheaper) than the Kronos...
That's unfortunately how the market is today... If a manufacture would know they will sell millions of units, they could involve more development and find a way to reduce the cost... but to get to this point, you first need to develop small series (Oasys), which cost way more... and then develop larger series and/or you need do compromises.
Behind each products (and electronic devices), there's people working to produce them. The final price does include the production cost, but also distribution cost. The production cost is global since the units are produced in the same factories. So, differences prices between countries are due to the distribution model... which includes, importers, import taxes, local distributors, local fees for tech support, manual translation or so... in regard of the number of unit expected to be sold in the country.
For keyboards, the US do represent 50% of the global market. The distribution is based on large store chain (such Guitar Center or so) without need of individual importer. So, they can negotiate a better distribution cost than other country.
It's always sad than poorer always need to pay more... mainly when it concerns food, education and culture (including music). I feel sorry to hear the situation in Argentina, but let's see what the final price will be when it will be available in stores. Even for Europe (which is the second market after US), we saw a lot of speculation with crazy high prices.
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: no mic input please |
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I wouldn't buy the Kronos if it would cost a lot more because of one (or more) mic inputs ... I really don't need one. Better to spend it on something EVERYone needs on a workstation: better sounds. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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burningbusch Approved Merchant
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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From the specs:
"The analog inputs provide a MIC/LINE select switch and an independent level control for each channel, offering the flexibility to meet any situation. "
If your condenser mic does not have an option for batteries, I don't see why something like the Behringer PS400 Phantom Power Supply wouldn't work.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PS400.aspx
Note: this is not a mic pre, it just supplies phantom power, $21.
Busch. |
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X-Trade Moderator
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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If you're on that desert island..... doesn't a good condensor mic count as an item?
Surely you'd just be using a cheap dynamic _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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ravenmek Junior Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 85
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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guillex wrote: | MartinHines wrote: | Cost control. To get the Kronos price, Korg had to remove some of the expensive hardware items that were on the OASYS.
All workstations are "compromise" products. |
Well, for me it's not important the xlr mic input, but, cost control??? In my country, Argentina, the prices will be:
Kronos 61: U$S 3.710,00
Kronos 73: U$S 4.231,00
Kronos 88: U$S 4.440,00
And as a reference, a person takes about 1000 dollars monthly in a GOOD job.
By the way, the M3 61 cost NOW, 1995 dollars...
So, Kronos will be for rich people here.... |
Or for people who work just for buying musical instruments (like me, nevermind earning 350 dollars a month). Yes, guille, living here, the kronos is fricking expensive. |
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jmexio Junior Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 70
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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ravenmek wrote: |
Or for people who work just for buying musical instruments (like me, nevermind earning 350 dollars a month). Yes, guille, living here, the kronos is fricking expensive. |
Glad to see I'm not the only one fitting that category and income range
Luckily, I have my M3 88 to sell to make for a big chunk of the money, but still...
You guys wouldn't know of some nice argentinean looking to buy an M3 in very good condition, would you?
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
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ravenmek Junior Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 85
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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jmexio wrote: | ravenmek wrote: |
Or for people who work just for buying musical instruments (like me, nevermind earning 350 dollars a month). Yes, guille, living here, the kronos is fricking expensive. |
Glad to see I'm not the only one fitting that category and income range
Luckily, I have my M3 88 to sell to make for a big chunk of the money, but still...
You guys wouldn't know of some nice argentinean looking to buy an M3 in very good condition, would you?
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
Except for my piano teacher, I am the only keyboard player I know in Bs. As. _________________ --GEAR--AKAI Miniak, KORG Nanokontrol, nanoPad 2, KP3
--Past Gear-- NOVATION Xio, ENSONIQ ASR-10, YAMAHA SY35, SY77 |
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guillex Full Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 206
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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ravenmek wrote: | jmexio wrote: | ravenmek wrote: |
Or for people who work just for buying musical instruments (like me, nevermind earning 350 dollars a month). Yes, guille, living here, the kronos is fricking expensive. |
Glad to see I'm not the only one fitting that category and income range
Luckily, I have my M3 88 to sell to make for a big chunk of the money, but still...
You guys wouldn't know of some nice argentinean looking to buy an M3 in very good condition, would you?
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
Except for my piano teacher, I am the only keyboard player I know in Bs. As. |
jaja really? en serio? you should walk more in bsas, it's full of musicians, pianist, tecladistas, etc.... _________________ Current Gear: Nord Stage 2 sw 73 - Clavinet D6 - Kurzweil Artis
Past Gear: Korg Krome 61 -Hammond SK1 73 - Korg M3 61 Expanded Radias - Korg M50 73 - Korg N5EX - Korg N1R - Korg TR 76 - Korg TR 88
http://guilleportogarcia.com |
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ravenmek Junior Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 85
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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yes, sure! But all my friends (all musicians) play the guitar, or drums, or bass, violin, a classical piano player, etc. so, at least in my circle of friends, no synth players _________________ --GEAR--AKAI Miniak, KORG Nanokontrol, nanoPad 2, KP3
--Past Gear-- NOVATION Xio, ENSONIQ ASR-10, YAMAHA SY35, SY77 |
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