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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Vincent,
the Yamaha XF is a nice instrument, but it is still just an advanced(!) ROMpler with additional user flash memory, not a multi-engine instrument like the Kronos.
So a Kronos is much more than an FX, and also significantly more than what has been there in the Oasys (which neither you nor me could or would afford so far, as I guess).
I understand that you want a price not too different from US price values in € plus tax. But any reasoning that the Kronos is not worth a price between 3000 and 4000€ (for the different versions) can only be answered by yourself.
To me it is worth it. If not to you, you just don't buy it. |
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michelkeijzers Approved Merchant
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 9113 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: Dutch prices |
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According to a dutch site, the price of the Kronos will be revealed in the last week of June. First delivery at July or August.
Another web site states: available in 11 weeks but that was a few weeks ago too so they don't update regularly.
I don't know if the Netherlands are representative for Europe, but it seems that there will be quite some waiting time before we actually will be able to buy/test the Kronos. _________________
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/ |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Absurd situation:
Now the biggest German reseller has the Jupiter 80 on order
- with price tag (2999 Euro)
- and with delivery date August 28 in Germany
The Jupiter 80 has been announced at Musikmesse a few days ago. On the other hand, the Kronos has been announced in January at Namm. Up to now no Europen delivery dates or prices!
Can anybody explain why Roland can be that fast with their European announcements, and Korg so incredibly lame for many months?
Can anything (price relations, uncertain economy, difficult conditions in Japan) seriously be called the difference that makes a difference? |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how much Korg regrets stating a price for the states. Realize it was done before the turmoil in Japan. I can't help but wonder if they hadn't planned on a reales of information to the Eu but after the quake decided to hold off for obvious reasons. I wouldn't be surprised to see a price increase here in the states and if that is the case a bunch of very angry people not making the announcement over the pond does prevent that. Although you guys are a but putoff now how mad would you be to have the price increased at the last minute. |
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jmexio Junior Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 70
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Just to reiterate some info posted before: here in Argentina the price for Kronos has been available from day one also (mid january). No firm info on when it's coming, but the local importer never announces such things, so it's what I would expect from them. Unofficially, last time I asked, it was more or less in sync with the US, but no exact date.
So, as it has been stated before, complain to Korg EU
Even a third world country like ours has more info
Having said that, I would not be surprised if the actual price changes once Kronos gets here. They usually announce the price of the moment they publish the information (mid jan), but then adjust it when the hardware is here. They do it all the time, with new and old products, so, again, nothing out of the ordinary.
I would also expect delays, as my M3 took two extra months because of some issues in customs back in the time.
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
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orpheus2006 Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 597 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | Up to now no Europen delivery dates or prices! | I got the following information at Musikmesse: Q3/2011 and 3000-4000€.
jmexio wrote: | Even a third world country like ours has more info | Not sure if the "more" info you have will be more accurate in the end. _________________ www.soundcloud.com/orpheus2006
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jmexio Junior Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Posts: 70
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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orpheus2006 wrote: | Not sure if the "more" info you have will be more accurate in the end. |
Exactly! It happens all the time, as I said, with both prices and delivery dates.
But, then again, I know the Kronos 88 will be around the 4400 dollar mark here, so at least I know that I'll need more than 4000 and less than 5000...
And a few extra jobs!
Cheers,
Juan Miguel |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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The question was why Roland Japan can become very concrete in Europe in no time, while Korg Japan needs half a year for the same effort. |
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MartinHines Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3036 Location: Topeka, KS (USA)
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | The question was why Roland Japan can become very concrete in Europe in no time, while Korg Japan needs half a year for the same effort. |
For some reason, Korg Japan appears to be waiting to closer to delivery to set European wholesale prices (and therefore European retail prices).
It is what it is. I am confident that the European prices will be set and announced some time prior to shipping. |
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robinkle Senior Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 382 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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MartinHines wrote: | jimknopf wrote: | The question was why Roland Japan can become very concrete in Europe in no time, while Korg Japan needs half a year for the same effort. |
For some reason, Korg Japan appears to be waiting to closer to delivery to set European wholesale prices (and therefore European retail prices).
It is what it is. I am confident that the European prices will be set and announced some time prior to shipping. |
Could be that Korg Announced Kronos on a earlier stage then what Roland did. |
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StephenKay KARMA Developer Approved Merchant
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 2979 Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Based on what I've said before, and what I've learned from "reliable sources", I was correct - it is related to the disaster in Japan, the effects of that on international trade, and waiting to see what's going to happen with the yen exchange rate.
And if you say, once again, "well how come Roland and Yamaha have made price announcements recently?" - the honest answer is "Korg is not required to do what Yamaha and Roland do. They are a different company, managed by a different team with a different style, with their own opinions on how to deal with fluctuations in currency exchange rates and the impact of the disaster on international trade in the next several months. They can do whatever they see fit to do as the best thing for their company, they are not required to mimic Roland or Yamaha, and right now that apparently means not setting a concrete European price. Why not just accept it, and move on? _________________ Stephen Kay - KARMA Developer • Karma-Lab - karma-lab.com
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robinkle Senior Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 382 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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StephenKay wrote: | Based on what I've said before, and what I've learned from "reliable sources", I was correct - it is related to the disaster in Japan, the effects of that on international trade, and waiting to see what's going to happen with the yen exchange rate.
And if you say, once again, "well how come Roland and Yamaha have made price announcements recently?" - the honest answer is "Korg is not required to do what Yamaha and Roland do. They are a different company, managed by a different team with a different style, with their own opinions on how to deal with fluctuations in currency exchange rates and the impact of the disaster on international trade in the next several months. They can do whatever they see fit to do as the best thing for their company, they are not required to mimic Roland or Yamaha, and right now that apparently means not setting a concrete European price. Why not just accept it, and move on? |
Hard to accept that, "we" are very truly amazingly impatient people, who got serious mental G.A.S right now.
It is hard to swallow. But I agree with you. |
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rkuli
Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 41
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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StephenKay wrote: |
And if you say, once again, "well how come Roland and Yamaha have made price announcements recently?" - the honest answer is "Korg is not required to do what Yamaha and Roland do. |
I also would imagine that Yamaha at least has a much more robust and complex method of dealing with currency fluctuation (fx, forwards, swaps and other trading hedges managed by professional financial services firms) in addition to being large enough to absorb some slippage/fluctuation - and with enough subsidiaries and other operations that currency can stay local and used for other operations are moved around at a later date when conditions improve. I imagine Roland is a significantly larger corporation than Korg albeit much smaller than Yamaha.
-RK- _________________ ex Triton Studio, Motif XS, Fantom G, MiKo LXD, MPC 1000, MPC 2500, MV 8800 owner.
ex-ex SK5, PSS 680, DX7 |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:59 am Post subject: |
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StephenKay wrote: |
And if you say, once again, "well how come Roland and Yamaha have made price announcements recently?" - the honest answer is "Korg is not required to do what Yamaha and Roland do. They are a different company, managed by a different team with a different style, with their own opinions on how to deal with fluctuations in currency exchange rates and the impact of the disaster on international trade in the next several months. They can do whatever they see fit to do as the best thing for their company, they are not required to mimic Roland or Yamaha, and right now that apparently means not setting a concrete European price. Why not just accept it, and move on? |
I have no doubts that Korg can do whatever they want concerning this.
But I have big doubts that many European customers will appreciate being treated like that, and as you see, I belong to those who are critical towards this kind of behavior, in this case also in comparison to that of other companies from the same country dealing with the same problems. Just looks like a bad performance in comparison to me. So what?
Of course I have to accept it, and of course I move on. I just won't begin to like it. |
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RKfan Senior Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2011 Posts: 402 Location: Cambridge, England
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | They can do whatever they see fit to do as the best thing for their company, they are not required to mimic Roland or Yamaha, and right now that apparently means not setting a concrete European price. Why not just accept it, and move on? |
Stephen,
we can accept that Korg may not be setting a price yet, that's fine and I think it would be wise to move on.
However, if they get the price wrong (i.e. too high) then quite a few people in Europe won't move on, they will move away - some people may buy gear from other Japanese companies which will be a double blow for Korg - a lost sale and more revenues for a rival (never a good thing).
I hope that the EU guys are considering a pricing structure that won't lose them sales... Just hoping it works because I really want one of these (like I wanted an Audi A5 last year, but because the price was wrong, sales guy was too greedy I bought something else - also German but faster and with more toys and still have cash left over for a new keyboard). |
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