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zahush76 Junior Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 98
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: They changed the specs! |
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So reading reading Gordon's review, i noticed that he wrote that the kronos comes with 148mb of free ram when all Exs are loaded , and not with 273mb like was written on the korg website. We all remember that, and it was discussed to death.
I checked the specs on the korg website, and they seemed to change that info :
Quote: | The memory available for RAM samples will change based on the use of Expansion PCM libraries. About 148MB is available when shipped from the factory (when loading the file named “PRELOAD.KSC”).
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Amazing, isn't it?
This is when sentences like Quote: | Appearance and specifications of this product are subject to change without notice | come to mind. And towards the negative direction.
I really hope the rumors about a future OS update that wil allow the kronos to address 4GB of ram, are true... |
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T7 Junior Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2008 Posts: 91
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. I'd like to hear from Dan or Rich on what brought on the change. I really hope corners aren't being cut last minute to get it out the door.
...Perhaps it's simply a case of Korg adding more sample data than before.
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Flash & The Pan Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: Re: They changed the specs! |
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zahush76 wrote: | So reading reading Gordon's review, i noticed that he wrote that the kronos comes with 148mb of free ram when all Exs are loaded , and not with 273mb like was written on the korg website. We all remember that, and it was discussed to death.
I checked the specs on the korg website, and they seemed to change that info :
Quote: | The memory available for RAM samples will change based on the use of Expansion PCM libraries. About 148MB is available when shipped from the factory (when loading the file named “PRELOAD.KSC”).
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Amazing, isn't it?
This is when sentences like Quote: | Appearance and specifications of this product are subject to change without notice | come to mind. And towards the negative direction.
I really hope the rumors about a future OS update that wil allow the kronos to address 4GB of ram, are true... |
Obama's 'n da "Kronos".????? ..OMG |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:45 am Post subject: Re: They changed the specs! |
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zahush76 wrote: | So reading reading Gordon's review, i noticed that he wrote that the kronos comes with 148mb of free ram when all Exs are loaded , and not with 273mb like was written on the korg website. We all remember that, and it was discussed to death.
I checked the specs on the korg website, and they seemed to change that info :
Quote: | The memory available for RAM samples will change based on the use of Expansion PCM libraries. About 148MB is available when shipped from the factory (when loading the file named “PRELOAD.KSC”).
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Amazing, isn't it?
This is when sentences like Quote: | Appearance and specifications of this product are subject to change without notice | come to mind. And towards the negative direction.
I really hope the rumors about a future OS update that wil allow the kronos to address 4GB of ram, are true... |
It is very simple in fact:
You just can't seriously use a Kronos with the standard 2Gb onboard as sampling device, no matter if you get 200-300Mb freed up by unloading EXis or not. Normally you will rather want to keep the factory EXi stuff (or at least most of it) on board anyway.
So an upgrade possibility to 4 Gb RAM seems ESSENTIAL for any serious sampling use of a Kronos. I fail to see any other acceptable way. |
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thekeymaster Senior Member
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 367 Location: Stoke-On-Trent,England
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: |
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I've got a feeling the 2GB Ram addition you were talking about in another thread Jim may come to fruition. 148MB for user samples just wont cut it with most people,especially on a top of the range product.
Most will want the preset data loaded in, I agree on that. _________________ Neil.
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Teh Mick Full Member
Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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I know that I will load out the EXs2 OASYS piano right from the start, it is useless with the samples used by the SGX-1 engine. _________________ Korg Kronos 61
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Unloading a non existing extension is an interesting user effort.
Maybe if we unload enough non-existing EXis, we'll get enough sample space back. |
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Akos Janca Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1158 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Jon Lord Senior Member
Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 452 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Akos Janca wrote: | Teh Mick wrote: | I know that I will load out the EXs2 OASYS piano right from the start, it is useless with the samples used by the SGX-1 engine. |
Good idea. The EXs2 (Steinway) piano samples occupy 464 MB in OASYS' RAM.
I really like and use them now but if the new SGX-1 pianos (EXs6 and EXs7) are better I don't see a reason to keep the EXs2 always in RAM. | Unfortunately Rich(or was it dan) already mentioned that the Exs2 is not automatically loaded (the rest are) from start, so this wont help _________________ - Download & share Korg keyboard patches for free.
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Akos Janca Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1158 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Jon Lord wrote: | Akos Janca wrote: | Teh Mick wrote: | I know that I will load out the EXs2 OASYS piano right from the start, it is useless with the samples used by the SGX-1 engine. |
Good idea. The EXs2 (Steinway) piano samples occupy 464 MB in OASYS' RAM.
I really like and use them now but if the new SGX-1 pianos (EXs6 and EXs7) are better I don't see a reason to keep the EXs2 always in RAM. | Unfortunately Rich(or was it dan) already mentioned that the Exs2 is not automatically loaded (the rest are) from start, so this wont help |
Thank you for clarification - I missed it. _________________ AkosJanca.com | Facebook | YouTube | SoundCloud | FuturePlant || OASYS-demos | nanoROCK demo | Korg Band in the Garage demo | Kronos Demo 1 | Kronos Demo 2 |
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Shakil Platinum Member
Joined: 08 Jan 2002 Posts: 1169 Location: New Jersey, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are forgetting the Audio Tracks! They stream from the SSD.
On other sampling workstations, you would use the RAM for audio tracks as well. And even if they offer more RAM memory, there are rediculous limits on how many sample you can have, so the RAM is not that useful any way.
If I have a loop to record, I will do that on audio tracks, not sample RAM. If I want to use drums hits, I will drop them on audio track, not sample RAM.
I think for other synth sounds you don't need that big RAM memory. And the limit on number of samples in RAM is lot more flexible. And with dynamic loading/unloading of selected Samples, you 'could' recycle the memory. For example, I could load a sampled instrument, record midi, render to audio. Unload the samples, load the other instrument, record midi, render to audio... etc. Because you can manage programs, samples, and songs as separate files/collection. I could be working with same song with different sampling data. You can't do this on other workstations. _________________ Roland Fantom-G6 ARX1, Korg M3-m exb-Radias, Korg Z1-18v, Roland MC-808, Roland MC-909, Korg microKontrol. |
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billbaker Platinum Member
Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 2206 Location: Vienna, Virginia, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Supersize me.
Maybe the reason there's not as much RAM is that there's more good stuff in the primary EXi's boot up than there was before.
Since I'm not a big sampling user I can't think of a good reason for me to complain very hard... unless EXi expansions 10, 11, and 12 won't fit.
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Akos Janca Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1158 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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billbaker wrote: | Supersize me.
Maybe the reason there's not as much RAM is that there's more good stuff in the primary EXi's boot up than there was before.
Since I'm not a big sampling user I can't think of a good reason for me to complain very hard... unless EXi expansions 10, 11, and 12 won't fit.
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I'm with this. I like and use the built-in sounds in OASYS, they are exceptionally good and can serve the biggest part of my needs - and I even haven't bought MOD-7, LAC-1 and EXs3 yet. With all of them on-board I think I would be fine.
For the few samples I use sometimes I don't need much memory. _________________ AkosJanca.com | Facebook | YouTube | SoundCloud | FuturePlant || OASYS-demos | nanoROCK demo | Korg Band in the Garage demo | Kronos Demo 1 | Kronos Demo 2 |
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RichF Senior Member
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Hoboken, NJ
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: |
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billbaker wrote:
Quote: | Maybe the reason there's not as much RAM is that there's more good stuff in the primary EXi's boot up than there was before. |
That's part of the reason for the change, along with OS updates.
Is it often that you need both a German and a Japanese grand piano loaded at once?
Do you always need the brass/woodwind expansion library on hand?
If you play with a drummer, do you need to load the new drum kits?
if you're exploring a Kronos for the first time in a store, or when you're incorporating it in into your workflow, the answer to all of this is usually "yes." In these cases, you should be able to experience everything it can do as a fully loaded instrument. Even though we want to show off how fast the SSD is, loading an EXs library just isn't quite as much as fun as playing one.
Customization often follows exploration. Once you've gotten to decide which aspects are the most important to you, you can trim down your preload to suit your needs, and gain sample RAM as a result. There's nearly 1gb of RAM available without the EXs libraries loaded.
To summarize, a new Kronos will auto-load nearly all of the included expansion data. If you don't need it, you can load/unload it very quickly, and the speed of the SSD makes this quick and painless.
Hope this helps.
-Rich _________________ Richard Formidoni |
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zahush76 Junior Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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RichF wrote: | billbaker wrote:
Quote: | Maybe the reason there's not as much RAM is that there's more good stuff in the primary EXi's boot up than there was before. |
That's part of the reason for the change, along with OS updates.
Is it often that you need both a German and a Japanese grand piano loaded at once?
Do you always need the brass/woodwind expansion library on hand?
If you play with a drummer, do you need to load the new drum kits?
if you're exploring a Kronos for the first time in a store, or when you're incorporating it in into your workflow, the answer to all of this is usually "yes." In these cases, you should be able to experience everything it can do as a fully loaded instrument. Even though we want to show off how fast the SSD is, loading an EXs library just isn't quite as much as fun as playing one.
Customization often follows exploration. Once you've gotten to decide which aspects are the most important to you, you can trim down your preload to suit your needs, and gain sample RAM as a result. There's nearly 1gb of RAM available without the EXs libraries loaded.
To summarize, a new Kronos will auto-load nearly all of the included expansion data. If you don't need it, you can load/unload it very quickly, and the speed of the SSD makes this quick and painless.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Rich!
All of this was also correct before.
What I'm wondering about is what caused the 120mb difference between what was initially written on the specs page, to what's written in there now.
And even more so after some people here pre-ordered a kronos, among other reasons, becuase of the specs initially introduced. |
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