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ozy
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| RadekK wrote: | | Lots of different sounds (as presets) can be done in just "rompler way". Sounds are what potential buyers are hearing, the method of obtaining them may be secondary for them. |
nope,
because you miss the player's contribution to the sound.
different synth engines RESPOND in a different way to a player's gestures
Hitting a key and hearing a flat sample running,
is not the same as hitting a key and hearing the instrument respect and reflect your playing.
Boy is that different!
It's not a two way:
instrument's sound ("who cares how it's produced?") ---> passive listener
it's at least three way:
player ---> instrument ---> player listens, back and forth.
"engine" means the instrument's way of answering to the playing. Its mood, etc.
More "organic", "interactive" synth engines matter a lot! |
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EvilDragon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| gjvti wrote: | | ozy wrote: | | ...but ANY master keyboard will give you faders today..... |
... but not any keyboard controller can send sysex necessary to manipulate karma parameters, for example, with their large amount of values. In fact I know only two hardware devices capable of sending sysex
1) Novation ReMote series - doesn't support Korg 16 byte messages
2) Something form CME (Bitstream? - don't remember correctly) - BUT I never had any response to my questions form CME nor any of it resellers - so very untrusted solution obviously.
Anyone can name Korg sysex compatible hardware controller with sliders/knobs? |
Indeed, these are VERY good points. So not just ANY master keyboard will suffice... |
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mc6
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: Kronos Rack? |
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| Has anyone seen any statement from Korg on a possible rack or tabletop Kronos? |
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Bertotti
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting becasue I just changed my status to a 61 key. A sales rep told me if it is midi it will work as an additinal keybed and that is all I want. i don't need extra sliders or anything i just want a good extra keybed. Right now I am going with the 61 key and later the nord c2. |
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ozy
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Kronos Rack? |
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| mc6 wrote: | | Has anyone seen any statement from Korg on a possible rack or tabletop Kronos? |
during the presentations in Italy I heard a resounding "NO, forget it".
I asked again: "sure?". reply: "I said forget it".
Apparently racks have been money-LOSERS for years now.
There's some opening for different splits of the kronos technology (a stage piano version, etc), but no chance of a rack.
I hate that, but I asked repeatedly and the answer was clear and motivated |
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SpIdErWeB
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If all you want is a "sound box", just buy a MacMini with 8Gb of RAM, SSD, a Motu UltraLite mk3 and an iPad as a touchscreen controller. Then just add NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, and you'll definitely have your sound box, you can even mount it in rack 1U...
Probably close to $3000 too, but at least you will get 8Gb of RAM, 240GB SSD full of Sounds, and i5 or even i7 CPU with faster 6Gb/s SSD, virtually no fan noise.... and of course an iPad you can use for something else 
Of course, you won't have the benefit of the Karma, and integration of the Kronos... but it looks like it's what you want with a Kronos Rack anyway...
Nonetheless, Racks are almost inexistent today, because they don't sell well...
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zzz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I dunno, I still fancy trying to find a Radias rack... one of those synths that passed folks attention, but can be used as a secret weapon, like the SQ-80. |
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Chriskk
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Ozy wrote
| Quote: | nope,
because you miss the player's contribution to the sound.
different synth engines RESPOND in a different way to a player's gestures
Hitting a key and hearing a flat sample running,
is not the same as hitting a key and hearing the instrument respect and reflect your playing.
Boy is that different!
It's not a two way:
instrument's sound ("who cares how it's produced?") ---> passive listener
it's at least three way:
player ---> instrument ---> player listens, back and forth.
"engine" means the instrument's way of answering to the playing. Its mood, etc.
More "organic", "interactive" synth engines matter a lot! |
Them, you should get a JP-80. |
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Sina172
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apex
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Two thoughts....
1) They could make a Kronos rack that is exactly the same concept as the m3m. All the controls, touch screen, and all. I'd buy it!!! LOL.
2) They could make a table top rack mount like the v synth stuff....
oh yeah and I just thought of this one.
They could make a 3 space rack (to make sure they have space for the screen and all the controls) like the Yamaha EX5r.
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mc6
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| And a Kronos module compatible with KKS, to install on the M3 keyboard of your choice - yes, please (not holding my breath). |
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madbeatzyo111
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| I would love an M3M-like Kronos desktop module too, but unfortunately it's not going to happen (according to Stephen K). The best you can do is to get the 61 and live with the added size. And besides, I don't think it's even possible to shrink all the inner workings of the Kronos into rack size; it's got a whole PC motherboard inside in addition to all the other DSP chips, etc. |
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Muji
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| apex wrote: | Two thoughts....
1) They could make a Kronos rack that is exactly the same concept as the m3m. All the controls, touch screen, and all. I'd buy it!!! LOL.
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+1 for me on this idea. Yes, I know it won't happen.
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EXer
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Muji wrote: | | apex wrote: | Two thoughts....
1) They could make a Kronos rack that is exactly the same concept as the m3m. All the controls, touch screen, and all. I'd buy it!!! LOL.
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+1 for me on this idea. |
Do you mean something like that:
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michelkeijzers
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Interesting photoshop work
It could probably much cheaper by changing the big display into a small monocolor nontouch display and remove some not strictly necessary knobs. Programming can be done with the editor (later).
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