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ffx · Junior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2012 Posts: 86

Hi,

while converting some nice microKorg XL's patches to M3 EXB-radias manually using the eidtor softwares for both devices, I found a new really annoying bug, that actually prevents using any VPM-oscillator in songs or combinations.

Here is my bug description. I already sent it to Korg's Germany support.

Bald Eagle · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:40 pm Post subject:

I tried to reproduce this problem without even looking at your sample patch and here is what happened for me ...

I setup an EXB-Radias program as you described and played it. It sounded as you would expect. Then I went to a combi and setup timbre 1 to play that program. It sounded exactly the same.

But ... I went back to program mode and played just to compare and be sure. Program mode still sounds the same. Now I switch back to combi mode again and it sounds totally different and there is nothing I can do to get that combi to sound correctly again.

So I go to another initialized combi and set it up as before and it sounds perfect. But another change to program mode and back to combi and sure enough its bad again.

Now I try something a little different. I setup another initialized combi as before and play it. It sounds perfect. I don't switch to program mode this time, I write the combi with the WRITE menu command (didn't save them before). After the save it is corrupt again.

I don't know if any of this helps but at least you know it's not just you.

ffx · Junior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2012 Posts: 86

Cool, please post more experiences. I sent your comment also to Korg support.

I also tried it in a song: Same bug!

So all VPM-programs are not usable at all in a song arrangement!

Bald Eagle · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:19 am Post subject:

Well, I've played around a lot more with all of this and can't find any pattern other than what you originally reported. Once the combi gets corrupted there doesn't seem to be anything I can find to make it match the program other than reinitialize it. I guess it's in Korg's hands now. Please post anything that you hear back from them.

HardSync · Platinum Member Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 794

Bug confirmed here, too. The only way to temporarily repair the Combi so that it sounds correct again is by going into Tone Adjust mode and resetting the OSC1 CTRL2 value. But as soon as you save the combi or switch to Program mode, the bug returns.

To be honest, I've had quite a few weird glitches with the EXB-Radias (both V2.0 and V2.10) when using Radias programs in Combis, particularly with KARMA. Such as (I won't go into a lot of detail here):

"Crosstalk" between Master Layer Sliders. For instance, moving Master Layer slider 2 to alter the rhythm pattern for all modules will cause the Master Layer slider 4's velocity accent's setting to take effect for the GE that is controlling a Radias program. The other modules remain unaffected.

Scene Change Quantize stops working properly, i.e. a 4-bar scene change setting will occur in 1 bar, or a 1-bar scene change will happen immediately, regardless when the scene change is made.

Dynamic Midi Settings in KARMA stop working on Radias programs, too ... say using the JS to toggle between two different pan pattern settings...

Anyway, no matter what I tried, these KARMA combis were broken / corrupted until I swapped out the Radias programs for EDS programs. Then, and only then, did they work properly. So I don't use KARMA to control Radias programs in combis any longer.

ffx · Junior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2012 Posts: 86

Sadly no response from Korg Japan!

Very sad that they do not see the need to fix this essential bug! This bug completely makes one synthesis type of the EXB-Radias unusable!

I also guess that Korg does not want to touch the M3's firmware anymore, a lot easier is to fix the EXB-Radias firmware (which also does exist in recent Korg synths).

That's not cool, Korg!

Bald Eagle · Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject:

Well, being that the M3 and RADIAS are discontinued products I don't expect that there will be any fix to correct this. We can only play and live with it from now on going forward.

orpheus2006 · Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:15 pm Post subject:

Let's wait and see. I'd expect Korg to fix these bugs.
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chensa · Junior Member Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 61

I'll be watching this post for updates too
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ffx · Junior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2012 Posts: 86

I asked Korg Germany about the process regarding the bug: Korg Japan could not reproduce it and also could not load my examples!

So I built an PCG and wrote a more detailed step-by-step bug description. Korg Germany forwarded the message to Korg Japan.

Hopefully they will fix this now.

BTW. by changing the program in the combination and back to the "buggy" program, it will at least fix some parameters. Also if I save the desired sound in the I-F bank and no U-XX bank, it seems that the sound is reconstructed better on program change - still not as it should.

orpheus2006 · Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject:

ffx, thanks for the info and your efforts! Smile

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ryokorgjapan · Junior Member Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Posts: 63

Hello,

My Japanese friend told me that KORG Japan has confirmed this issue.
They "might" consider the future OS update for this, but I think there is a little chance..because those are discontinued synths.

My friend also said..to avoid this,
Off the check box "Auto Load" in "Combi mode - Tone Adjust tab".
Then you can play Radias Program as Combi Timbre.
I didn't confirm this tho..Please try..

Thank you.

Alê Sasa · Joined: 24 Apr 2009 Posts: 7

ffx · Junior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2012 Posts: 86