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Randelph · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:19 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the input guys! Yes, it's all about the sound quality and realtime control. Don't mean to hijack this thread, so just a couple more questions that were not answered on Roland's site.

How straightforward is it to save tweaked and untweaked sounds in a favorites area for organized searching? With 6,000 sounds, finding my favorites could be a daunting task.

How straight forward is it to map controllers?

I had an XS7, never again will I spend creative time dealing with such user unfriendliness!
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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:27 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately - they do look like the same keybed as System-1.

Nevertheless, they are taking a big risk here - as they did with the TR-8 which largely paid off because its sound is solid - so if these faithfully recreate the sound of the originals, they may be worth considering.

And remember - System-1 lead to System-1m - so if they are successful in this format, they may release a 19" rack version.

So go easy on them !!!

I have to say however, the Juno106 was my first synthesiser, and I know it extremely well. The combination of DCO's and VCF's places it in the same sonic territory as the PPG. I'm serious about that. It's the stability of digital oscillators and character of VCF's (and Voltage Envelopes) what creates a particular sound.

Critically - the sound I'm talking about cannot be recreated using VCOs and VCFs because the VCO tuning is not stable enough; nor can it be recreated using digital filters of any kind - they do not have the character. Roland released a set of Juno106 sounds for the Jupiter 80 a while back - and they sounded nothing like a Juno 106.

Don't get me wrong they do sound excellent - because the Supernatural Synth engine in the JP80 is particularly good - especially its filters - I absolutely adore the JP80 VA filters - they are broad, velvety smooth, deep and huge in character. Its just - they don't sound like a Jun 106 so Roland struggled to emulate it with that JP80 set.

so it will be interesting to see what configuration their new Juno 106 has - where within a few seconds it will be possible to determine whether it faithfully reproduces the original, or just offers a superficial 'nod' to it.

DodgingRain · Joined: 25 May 2009 Posts: 33

These need to be true analog using tech taken from the JD-XA. If they are analog modeled using analog they could be killers. If they are digital they should have just been plugins to ARIA. I won't waste money on them if they are digital.

Korg is doing analog re-issues, maybe roland just caught up? Laughing

Kevin Nolan · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject:

like TR-8, I'd reckon they are VA's.

It's the only way to try to recreate the sound (whether successful or not).

As 'authentic' as analogue is, I'm afraid there are so many variables and it would be near impossible to get modern analogue to sound like analogue from the 80's.

Moog is a case in point - to recreate their new Moog55's they had to use components as used in the originals and they were in short supply - hence the limited number made. Meanwhile the Little Phatty and Voyager do not sound like original moogs (at least my LittlePhatty, as good as it is, does not sound particularly like a moog to me).

Given the success of TR-8 and the plugouts, I'd bet these are VA's

Broadwave · Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:24 am Post subject:

"Boutique" - Hideous name... hopping on the FX/Eurorack bandwagon.

I should imagine these are obviously DSP based recreations. One of them looks suspiciously like it could be a JP8, but pairing it with a two octave keyboard (probably full size, but low profile like the System 1)?

EDIT - Ha! It's a module with optional keyboard - Thank you Roland Smile

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Sharp · Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:43 am Post subject:

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Randelph · Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:10 pm Post subject:

Thanks Sharp! I've got an iPad, and a stage classic. You've put the integra on my radar, will research more!
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Kevin Nolan · Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:57 am Post subject:

Intriguingly - someone commenting on sonicstate.com suggests that this is just three pictures of one controller - being a polyphonic plugount controller.

If the case - intriguing - and strengthens the case for a similar developmental path to system-1

Edit:

Actually- just looking at Timo's post above suggesting the same thing.

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chilly7 · Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:43 am Post subject:

No thanks. I do not need this toys.
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I think they're three different synths sharing the same form factor.
And the mini keys: it's best to simply see them as part of the new desktop module format.
For playing purposes they are inadequate and I much rather would have full sized proper keys, but I would not automatically qualify a synth as a toy because it has mini keys and it's small.
The Reface CS for instance initially looked like a part of Yamaha's toy collection, but it turns out it has a great sound and a character of its own.

With the strongly increased presence of Roland in the low and mid range I'm left wondering when they once again will come up something in the flagship range, notably a successor to the Fantom series, the last incarnation of which was a huge disappointment.
I also hope Roland took note of the continued interest in and popularity of the V-synth...

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