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The fill issue is why I keep harping on getting more fills... There simply is no way, no matter WHAT system you use, to get a smooth fill for ALL possible source/target moves. The fill-down from 4-3 will not work well for 4-1.

When you only have four fills, something, no matter HOW you (or the instrument) programs it will sound a bit disjointed. The main reason a few here want the old system back is merely damage control... They want a way to mitigate the poorest transition (if they are going to use it a lot) to be as smooth as possible given the few choices they have.

This is why I am disappointed that, while much effort is put into NEW stuff on arrangers, little attention is being paid to simply improving the features we already HAVE. Not to brag on them (I'm hardly less of a critic of Roland than of any other make! Twisted Evil

), but Roland have six fills. I can assure you, no it's not perfect... but it's a HELL of a lot smoother than four! So why can't Korg go six fill? Or eight? Or ten?! Idea

There isn't a lick of extra coding needed, nor any extra hardware (if auto-fill is used), simply more content. And, the truth is, it is actually EASIER to write a bunch of fills that only need do a simple transition than it is to write 'compromise' fills that can be used for multiple destinations. If the energy of the start AND finish of the transition is known, the fill requirements become very easy to write.

So, rather than bemoan missing features that mitigate the bad effects of 4 Variation's mere four fills (which itself a pretty new thing for Korg, only having started on the PA3X - before, you only had TWO, which is the REAL reason the old system existed), why not 6-8 Fills?

And. while you're at it, why not four MORE, as 'fill-to-same' that only have a tiny 'pickup' in the drum Part (you could leave the rest alone if you wanted to keep it simple - less for the style creator to do!). This is what real drummers do...

It's not that hard, Korg. The code is already in play, it is only CONTENT... and even that is easier for the style writers to do when they don't have to work as hard making a fill work passably for a multitude of destinations. It's the LITTLE things that make the biggest difference! Idea

Giner · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject:

I don't know squat about coding, or anything technical for that matter. But, in my book, the more fills the better, and surely there must be many like me.

''This is why I am disappointed that, while much effort is put into NEW stuff on arrangers, little attention is being paid to simply improving the features we already HAVE.''

I guess 'new' is an easier sell than something revamped. That applies to many things, not just arrangers

If, as you say, it's an easy task to do these things, we have to wonder why Korg hasn't travelled this road so far (although I may have just answered that above Shocked

.) Keep the crusade going on it though, Dikikeys. Smile

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DonM · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject:

Ketron seems to be on top of this better than the others. In addition to the standard fills, their new models have four Break/fills for each style, plus seamless transitions between style parts.
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Eduardo_Arg · Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject:

Thanks Paolo:

New and extensive advance manual, is crystal clear; all topics al clearly developed.-
Congratulations.
Eduardo
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Dikikeys · Guest

Manuals, schmanuals! Twisted Evil

I got a twisted idea that quite a lot of people going 'I won't change, not enough different' will suddenly change their minds once they actually HEAR some high quality demos (so far, few and far between, especially with a Western bent), hear all the new sounds, new kits, new styles, new Guitar Mode, etc..

Specs say one thing, but ears often say something else! Wink

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I'm sorry to say but i did pre-order a 4X last month and just cancelled the pre-order.
Im a proud owner of a pa3x and it's a great keyboard and the 4X just doesn't sound like the right upgrade for me right now. i've spent 1000's of hours creating styles and sounds on the 3x and i don't want it wasted! i've created a few sampled instruments that are all compressed and have used all of the 512MB available. how they decided to put a lower amount of sample ram on a newer product, I'll never know! Sample ram isn't the end of all things but it's really important in the music industry as a whole in my opinion and it seems they've over looked it.

Maybe they've got something up their sleeve, but until then i'll just wait. Let's hope they come up with a nice software update just before or after launch.

I'll be Korg till the end but it's no secret that their PA series has always been quite slow to adapt to certain things. this is my opinion anyway

Sal

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Sam CA · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject:

I just finished reading the most relevant parts of the manual to how I personally use these keyboards. I'm not disappointed but definitely NOT impressed either.

One flagship keyboard...5 years in the making. It's a great keyboard if you're upgrading from PA1x/PA800 , but to go from a PA3x to PA4x? I'm not motivated AT THIS TIME...not even a bit. Although I haven't used all the memory that is available in my current keyboard just yet, but even then I find the Ram downgrade decision confusing....

Please correct me if I'm wrong. You can not program the Guitar Mode in Sequencer mode. You do not have range-set playback in Style Record mode. You can not import pads using markers....No real deal software update in Style record mode.

Can't say anything about the Midi to Style converter, but judging it based on its extremely short feature description in the Advance manuel , I could tell it's not exactly a selling feature! Time will tell...

So my final decision to purchase a PA4x is a NO for now. Korg Italy usually releases a software update somewhere along the line, so that could be a deciding factor later on as well.
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Asena · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:25 am Post subject:

I Personaly don,t think they can Change much on a product thats out now.
For me it,s like downgrading from a better KB 3X .
For me NO, next model PA 5 XXL.
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