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DaveKeys Junior Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 96 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:07 pm Post subject: Transposing a sound on one half of a split in Combi |
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Hi
I'm programming up a Combi. Stab Pad on lower half, Strings on upper. At times I need to drop Strings down an octave, but the Kronos only seems to do this globally, i.e, if I hit button 1 it transposes the lower voice down an octave too.
I want to be able to keep my split, and just toggle the upper half strings up and down an octave without affecting anything else.
Can this be done? _________________ Korg Kronos2 61, Nord Electro 5,Roland RD700nx, Roland Jupiter 8, Roland JX3P, EMU Xboard61 |
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geoelectro Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2012 Posts: 1038 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Not at my Kronos but a quick way is to program two combi's, one with the transposition and one without, and switch between them.
Geo _________________ Kronos 61 : 3GB RAM 120GB 2nd Drv.
Kronos 2 61
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psionic311 Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2014 Posts: 1046 Location: Orlando, Florida USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Also not at my Kronos atm, but another option is to program one of the switches above the joystick to change octaves.
One way to do this is to select the Strings timbre in your combi, select Edit Program from upper right dropdown, which will bring up the the Strings program. Navigate to the oscillators' octave setting, and set SW1 to drop an octave. Save. Back at the combi, SW1 should now be an octave switch just for Strings. |
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DaveKeys Junior Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 96 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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psionic311 wrote: | Also not at my Kronos atm, but another option is to program one of the switches above the joystick to change octaves.
One way to do this is to select the Strings timbre in your combi, select Edit Program from upper right dropdown, which will bring up the the Strings program. Navigate to the oscillators' octave setting, and set SW1 to drop an octave. Save. Back at the combi, SW1 should now be an octave switch just for Strings. |
Thanks for everyone's replies. I've tried this in reverse - i.e, switched off the sw1 transpose button for the lower pad sound. The string has SW1 set to transpose down an octave and that setting seems to globally override the whole combi.
Any other suggestions warmly welcomed. _________________ Korg Kronos2 61, Nord Electro 5,Roland RD700nx, Roland Jupiter 8, Roland JX3P, EMU Xboard61 |
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 727 Location: Moncton, NB, CANADA (Eh?)
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sure thing Dave. That's easy enough.
You'll have to program the pitch change in the program of the sound you want to manipulate via the Combi.
psionic311 actually was correct, and that's how you probably should approach making the layers switch the way you're asking.
You'd want to edit the string program itself so that SW1 or SW2 drops the strings down an octave. Also edit the other program so that you know the SW1 or 2 doesn't affect the other layer in the same way (Otherwise it'll seem like a global shift when it's not actually)
Think of it happening at a program level, not a global level. The assignments for the switches have little to do with the combi and everything to do with the program itself. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
Sound developer, custom sound designer and trainer/Kronos support - www.audora.ca for details! |
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DaveKeys Junior Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 96 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:16 am Post subject: |
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enigmahack wrote: | Sure thing Dave. That's easy enough.
You'll have to program the pitch change in the program of the sound you want to manipulate via the Combi.
psionic311 actually was correct, and that's how you probably should approach making the layers switch the way you're asking.
You'd want to edit the string program itself so that SW1 or SW2 drops the strings down an octave. Also edit the other program so that you know the SW1 or 2 doesn't affect the other layer in the same way (Otherwise it'll seem like a global shift when it's not actually)
Think of it happening at a program level, not a global level. The assignments for the switches have little to do with the combi and everything to do with the program itself. |
Thanks for your efforts. I have tried this, to no avail.
At program level: switching off SW1 for the Pad, and keeping SW1 on 'Octave down' for the string on the upper half.
I've also tried disabling SW1 in Combi in the hope that the program settings would prevail instead. No joy.
The result is a global transpose where the split point gets moved an Octave - which is exactly where I had started.
I think I've actually found something the Kronos can't do! _________________ Korg Kronos2 61, Nord Electro 5,Roland RD700nx, Roland Jupiter 8, Roland JX3P, EMU Xboard61 |
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enigmahack Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Aug 2009 Posts: 727 Location: Moncton, NB, CANADA (Eh?)
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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DaveKeys wrote: | enigmahack wrote: | Sure thing Dave. That's easy enough.
You'll have to program the pitch change in the program of the sound you want to manipulate via the Combi.
psionic311 actually was correct, and that's how you probably should approach making the layers switch the way you're asking.
You'd want to edit the string program itself so that SW1 or SW2 drops the strings down an octave. Also edit the other program so that you know the SW1 or 2 doesn't affect the other layer in the same way (Otherwise it'll seem like a global shift when it's not actually)
Think of it happening at a program level, not a global level. The assignments for the switches have little to do with the combi and everything to do with the program itself. |
Thanks for your efforts. I have tried this, to no avail.
At program level: switching off SW1 for the Pad, and keeping SW1 on 'Octave down' for the string on the upper half.
I've also tried disabling SW1 in Combi in the hope that the program settings would prevail instead. No joy.
The result is a global transpose where the split point gets moved an Octave - which is exactly where I had started.
I think I've actually found something the Kronos can't do! |
I just a 2 minute test - works fine over here.
Can you share your PCG? I could take a look for you. There's got to be something being assigned to a global transpose in the combi that's overriding the settings. It's definitely doable in the Kronos - I do it frequently. _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S
Sound developer, custom sound designer and trainer/Kronos support - www.audora.ca for details! |
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SoulBe Senior Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
another possibility is using the karma timbre off control or karma switches. You can use karma to switch between 2 timbres and control karma f.e. with a foot switch
best regards
Soulbe _________________ www.kaisers-bart.de
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Dniss Platinum Member
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 1279 Location: Pale blue dot
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just create another program by copying to string one over, and lower the pitch in that 2nd program.
Then, create another combi by copying to original one over, and replace your program string #1 with the second one you just created.
In the setlist you can easly move from combi1 to combi2 to get the desired effect. |
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psionic311 Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2014 Posts: 1046 Location: Orlando, Florida USA
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an easy way to do it in a combi:
Put the desired sound on two different timbres, but one an octave different than the other one, right next to each (like timbre 2 and timbre 3).
Pull the fader down on the one you're not going to use as the main one. Save combi.
When you need to switch octaves, bring the fader down of the main one, while pushing up the fader for the other one.
With just a bit of practice, this is really easy to do in half a second or less. |
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geoelectro Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2012 Posts: 1038 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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psionic311 wrote: | Here's an easy way to do it in a combi:
Put the desired sound on two different timbres, but one an octave different than the other one, right next to each (like timbre 2 and timbre 3).
Pull the fader down on the one you're not going to use as the main one. Save combi.
When you need to switch octaves, bring the fader down of the main one, while pushing up the fader for the other one.
With just a bit of practice, this is really easy to do in half a second or less. |
Or, you could do the same thing in one move using the vector joystick.
Geo _________________ Kronos 61 : 3GB RAM 120GB 2nd Drv.
Kronos 2 61
Synthesizers.com Custom Modular
N.I. Komplete 11, Omnisphere 2, VB-3.
HP i7 8GB Win 10
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SanderXpander Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Or by using mute switches, just hit them both in one go. |
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