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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:58 pm Post subject: Songbook entries ideas : looking for your help
I have created lots of new songbook entries in the last month, but my song selection have lots of songs that most people never heared of. They would have no idea how the original versions of those songbook entries would sound like. So that need to change
For my new sound set i'm going to add a free songbook with it and i'm looking for names of keyboard classic tunes that i could add to the songbook.
To give an idea, songs in my songbook that probably not many of you will know:
- BT - Flaming June
- Ayla - Ayla
- Paul van Dyk - For an Angel
- Humate - Love Stimulation
- Jacoo - Andromeda
- and lots more...
Songs in my songbook that people probably will know how to play:
- Train - Drops of Jupiter
- Sting - Fragile
- Robert Miles - Children
- Adele - Make You Feel My Love
- Christopher Cross - Sailing
- Bill Withers - Ain't no Sunshine
- Yiruma - River Flows in You
- Boom Boom - John Lee Hooker
- Robbie Williams - Feel
- Coldplay - Viva La Vida
- etc.
What i did for every songbook entry was selecting a factory style which suited the song, then i added the sounds that works great with that song and reprogrammed the effect and sounds (in sound edit mode of the songbook) to fit the song. Then i added the Chord Sequence of the song.
But i'm out of ideas know, i still have lots of ideas for the 'less known' song section, but what i'm looking for is help from you with ideas which 'famous' songs i could add to the songbook.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:04 am Post subject:
Hi Qui,
I've collected some entries from my play lists, just pick the ones you know and like.
Good luck with the progress of this promising project!
All we ever do is say Goodbye John Mayer
Ashes to ashes David Bowie
Bedshaped Keane
Big Log Robert Plant
Blue Monday New Order
Boys of Summer Don Henley
Brothers in arms Dire Straits
Comfortably numb Pink Floyd
Duel Eye to Eye Propaganda
Enola Gay OMD
Enjoy the Silence Depeche Mode
Fields of Gold Sting
Forever Autumn Jef Wayne
Forever Young Alphaville
Hero Family of the Year
Holding back the years Simply Red
Ill find my way home Jon & Vangelis
I surrender Saybia
I Would Stay Krezip
In my place Coldplay
Live is life Opus
Love you more Racoon
Mercy Street Peter Gabriel
Mission Impossible theme
More than this Roxy Music
My Immortal Evanescence
One U2
Oxygene part IV Jean-Michel Jarre
Pompeii Bastille
Purple Rain Prince
Real to me Brian Mc Fadden
Redemption Song Bob Marley
The River Bruce Springsteen
Sailing to Philadelphia Mark Knopfler
Sebastian Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel
The Show must go on Queen
Smalltown Boy Bronski Beat
Smooth Operator Sade
So Long Fisher Z
Solsbury Hill Peter Gabriel
Somebody that I used to know Gotye
Somewhere only we know Keane
Souvenir OMD
Space Oddity David Bowie
Swallowed in the sea Coldplay
Things we lost in the fire Bastille
Tinseltown in the rain The Blue Nile
Trouble Coldplay
White Rabbit Jefferson Airplane
Wicked game Chris Isaak _________________ Musical grtz, Frans
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 2533 Location: Netherlands
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:41 pm Post subject:
Fransman wrote:
You're welcome, Qui, I'm glad I could help you a tiny bit.
Others here at the forums may have some suggestions too, I suppose.
Very curious about the end result!
you helped me a lot, i needed a list to get started because when i needed to program the signature sounds for a specific song i could still add it to the sound set, and your list is filled with songs i really like.
But your list got me thinking and i also looked in other forums for song list suggestions, quite some people did have the same question with lot's of answers which i also could use to compile a suggestion list, so the end result is that i have hundreds of 'famous' song names to choose from now in several genres and from the 50s till 2017 which are popular in the keyboard scene and cover bands.
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 2533 Location: Netherlands
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Songbook
NativeAngels wrote:
What styles have you found that goes with the songs in your songbook list ?
for most songs i modified the settings in the styles, for instance things like:
- muting certain channels
- different kind of sounds
- sounds modified in the song itself (sound edit mode)
- different kind of effects (especially in the trance section i've modified the effects to add bpm synced delays) which can drastically change the style
- different pad settings
- different kind of mix setup
- etc..
All these settings are stored in the song book entry, which is an extremely powerful feature, because several songs can use the same style but due to these changes can sound quite different.
But a small list of the more famous songs:
Sade: Smooth Operator - Cool Pop
Train: Drops of Jupiter - Standard 8 Beat
Sting: Fragile - Modern Bossa
Robert Miles: Children - Horror Movie
Christopher Cross: Sailing - Unplugged Ballad 3
Bill Withers: Ain't no Sunshine - Reggae Ballad
Yiruma: River Flows in You - Ambient Ballad
Coldplay: Viva La Vida - First Kid Rock
Prince: Purple Rain - Standard 8 Beat
For examples you can check the videos in the piano and guitar thread i've posted in this forum.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Songbook
NativeAngels wrote:
So do you go through styles as you find one that fits a song store it as a songbook entry then edit after?
That's exactly what I do.
You can use a factory style in many, many ways, while keeping the original one in tact.
Songbook is a superb tool. _________________ Musical grtz, Frans
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 2533 Location: Netherlands
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:09 am Post subject:
NativeAngels wrote:
So do you go through styles as you find one that fits a song store it as a songbook entry then edit after?
Basically Yes.
But i have multiple approaches.
I don't play the songs live for an audience, so i can do what i want. In that case i can use any style i want to apply to the song. I like new age / ambient or neo soul like renditions of songs. So my step guide for creating songs is as follows:
- First select a song
- Determine in what kind of style i want to play the song (original version, ambient, neo soul, pop, rock, etc.)
- Checking the factory style if something fits that choice.
- Then there are two follow up methods:
Method 1: Yes, a factory style suits the song i want to play
- Save the style to the songbook
- Enter the tags of the song in the songbook
- then modify the style itself to suit the song
- Set the tempo
- Select a keyboard set (of my own) with sounds that i want to use with the style
- Change all the effect settings to my liking
- Modify which Accompaniment channels are used (muting / unmuting the channels) and in some cases change the sound add the correct insert fx and send fx levels for each accompaniment channel.
- Change the four pads to different kind of pads and set the correct volume and send fx levels
- Set the mix levels to current standards.
- finetune the sounds in sound edit mode in the style.
- Save the song again.
Method 2: No, none of the factory style suits the song i want to play
- Start Cubase on the computer
- See if i can find an original midi file of that song
- Import that midi file in cubase
- Set all channels to the corresponding midi channels so that it fits the style requirements
- Add marker labels in the midi file to identify the intro, variations and endings
- save as midi 0 export file
- then create a new style and import that midi file in the style and then continue with method 1
- If there is no midi file of the song, then i create the parts myself in cubase and export that as the new style.
Both methods are quite easy to do.
So in most cases i use Method 1.
for songs like Robbie Williams - Angels or EWF - Boogie Wonderland , i just converted the original midifiles to styles. For the ambient and trance songs in most cases i create my own styles because those aren't really available in the factory styles.
So lot's of possibilities in a Pa4x to create your own song entries.
Last edited by QuiRobinez on Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:45 pm; edited 1 time in total
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: Songbook
You think at a glance songbook entries are like the yamaha equivalent to registrations but infact theyre pretty deep to what you can store in them. Would be nice if there were more tutorials out there.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Songbook
NativeAngels wrote:
You think at a glance songbook entries are like the yamaha equivalent to registrations but infact theyre pretty deep to what you can store in them. Would be nice if there were more tutorials out there.
absolutely,
to give an example how far you can go:
- select the factory style: Ambient ballad.
- play some tunes with it.
- then look at to the example below here and compare it to the default factory style, what i did was creating a song in the songbook that uses the ambient balled style and then i applied the steps from method 1. And then it sounds like this:
The fun fact is that the factory ambient style is still the same as before, but when you select this song in the songbook this comes out of the pa4x. But if i select the song: Yiruma - The River Flows in You from my songbook (which uses the same ambient ballad style), the song sounds completely different, because i applied different sound and effect choices as described in method 1.
The songbook is the most powerful feature of the pa4x in my opinion. The styles are just the start and the backbone of your songs. But the power lies in the songbook.
there are multiple tutorials on youtube about songbook.
basically you need to know two important things:
1. if you want to modify the performance settings (like upper sounds / lower sounds) you can press the corresponding tab and change the settings of those keyboard sounds
2. if you want to modify the accompaniment sounds then you have to press the track select button, then the song settings change to the style tracks and you can modify those settings.
The menu button is used in song mode for things like the track settings / master fx programming, etc.
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