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robthemuso
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: CS in new styles Reply with quote

I have just been messing with the new set of styles from Korg and notice that they come with a Chord Sequence included. I noticed it first in Snow Pop. Anyone know what they are all about..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korg have included a chord sequence for you to play (if you want) - they are quite nice and can give you a feel for the style.
Just press the CS play buttons together and them press Start.

Korg have done this in the last few bonus sets (but not on every style)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Pete, I was also wondering what this CS thing was all about.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rob

Chord sequencer was introduced on the Korg PA3X but was quite limited - think it was just a "taste" to see if anyone liked it.
SO - what is it....

Let me give you an example of how I used it recently.
We were trying out a new song which involved needing to play around with drawbars and etc during the song
This ties up my left hand of course when I am playing a style and needing to be playing chords.

So what I did was, before our rehearsal, created a chord sequence for the whole song.
So you basically select the style, tempo etc...etc... and then you press the CS record buttons (you press 2 at once) and then start playing the song (chords only)
So the PA4X records your chords (only) as a sequence which you can then save with the style itself or in a SONGBOOK entry.
So that enabled us to play the CS and have both my hands free for the drawbars and melody etc....

This is only one example - I love playing my harmonicas and have recorded CS's as my backings.

Also note that when you record a CS it only records your chords so when you play the CS you are free to change VARs/FILLs even transpose and it all works.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Pete, I only have pa2x so I don't know how cs works. Can you save a chord sequence and then try it with different styles? So maybe record it with a rock style, but then listen it with a pop one, maybe a different BPM? If yes how? Saving in a songbook entry and then changing the selected style will keep the cs?

Sorry for putting so many questions,, but I am very curious since I'd like to update to a pa1000.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Simone
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Can you save a chord sequence and then try it with different styles?

Unfortunately, no
You can change BPM, transpose and select any style elements whilst playing (like VARs FILLs etc...)

If you record a CS and then write a songbook entry, the CS is remembered in the SONGBOOK entry and is made available only when you select that entry.
Alternatively, you can write the CS to a STYLE, hence every time you select that style you will get the CS.

Now here's an interesting fact I have only just discovered:-

Let's say you select a style
Record a CS (e.g playing Cm Fm etc..) (let's refer to this as CS1)
Then from screen drop-down menu select "Write current style settings" to that style
OK - so now you will get that CS1 loaded every time you select that style.
Now, with that style still selected, record a different CS (say F#m, C#m etc...etc..) (let's refer to it as CS2)
...and now write it as a SONGBOOK entry you actually will have 2 different CS's - one when you just load the style (CS1) and another when you select the SONGBOOK entry (CS2).
If you later remove the SONGBOOK entry the CS1 will remain attached to the style

But, just re-iterating, with the SONGBOOK CS, if you change the style in the SONGBOOK edit it will clear the CS.

Hmmm - I learned something!!! Thanks

Pete Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

simondrake wrote:
Can you save a chord sequence and then try it with different styles? So maybe record it with a rock style, but then listen it with a pop one, maybe a different BPM? If yes how? Saving in a songbook entry and then changing the selected style will keep the cs?


Hi Simone, I won’t have access to my kbd for a couple of months (am currently moving house) but from memory, I think that the answer is closer to a ‘Yes’ rather than the ‘No’ that Pete suggested (sorry Pete 😉).

Two things that may be useful to know, are that you can at any time lock the CS in global and the CS in the kbd memory will not change no matter which style or Song book entry you select (even if they have an associated CS allocated to them). Also, you can copy a CS from one songbook entry or style to another very easily too.

So, all in all, even though I’m just working from memory, it should be very easy to use/try any CS with several styles and/or songbooks.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks a lot Pete and Jon. Both interesting even though different answers. Maybe you can check Jon's hint and see if it really works so we have various ways to use cs, saved into a specific style, or within the same style having different cs saved as songbook entries or having 1 specific cs saved in the keyboard global mode to be used with different styles. I hope I'll be able to save enough money to fill the gap between my old 2x and a new 1000 so I can provide my experience. Regards to everyone. Simone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this forum.

I have had my Pa4X about 18 months, and never got around to playing with CS. But as a result of this thread, I have now. How simple!

I wouldn’t want to use it too often, but I can think of a couple of songs in my repertoire with some tricky chords, where I really want to concentrate on some great sounding melody.

Thanks all, and Pete especially for setting things out in such plain English. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonyblues wrote:
I think that the answer is closer to a ‘Yes’ rather than the ‘No’ that Pete suggested (sorry Pete Very Happy ).

Please don't apologise - you are absolutely right and THANKS

Learning even more here

YES you can play a CS on several different styles by "locking chord sequence" in Global mode "Under Lock>style"

This just gets better!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I don’t understand how transpose is supposed to work with CS.

If I use the panel buttons to transpose the keyboard (eg -1 semitones) the CS chords are transposed accordingly, sound and the chord display. But the notes I play manually on the keyboard are not In the same key as the new chords - even though if use the balance knob to listen to played notes in RH they are definitely transposed.

I have to play the RH +1 semitones (relative to the newly displayed CS chords) to be in tune.

It is as if the CS chords are actually transposed -2 semitones, but display as if only -1 semitones.

So am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug in CS?

Using ‘Snow Pop’ style from latest Korg freebies.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CS will play the chords exactly as they were recorded - when playing the CS if you transpose up one semi-tone, the CS will do the same.
But there is no way to "edit" the CS chords - that would be nice!!!

I will however check your example in case there is a bug....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOLVED

Thanks Pete. It seems the way it is set up , if you are playing a score for which you have recorded a CS, and then transpose, you need to continue to play the notes as written in the score to remain in tune with the CS. That works fine and resolves my question.

But I had initially assumed (wrongly) that if you were improvising the RH , with no score, you would just follow the transposed CS chords displayed at top of the screen. You can’t do that.
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