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[karmathanever]

Very good points and great post.

The term "bug" in relation to software or human health for that matter, means "something is wrong".
When it comes to software it means that the product has failed somewhere in terms of its formal definition (hence user expectation).
Definition is its specification and in the case of the PA4X for example, is a manual with over 1000 pages.

The topics in the forums requesting "potential bug reports" is there to assist Korg (hopefully) to identify and debug their software.
Bugs in software are NOT the "differences" between versions of hardware/software - i.e. new/changed or removed features for example PA3X vs PA4X.

Like most here, I can write a list of things I would like to have on my keyboard plus things I used to have and would like to have again but none of them are bugs even if they are viewed as poor design by some.

I always support and seriously value the views and feedback from others.
As you say there is sometimes confusion due to language and culture differences.

In summary, I am hoping Korg will address these serious problems as it is affecting their arranger future right now - that would be a shame.

The intermittent shutdown-restart is the most serious.

Fingers crossed we will get some news soon.


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[duby2]

karmathanever

+1
got it right !

[romney_yw]

Not sure if I'm missing something here.

Why don't you program your second Songbook entry so that it has the same sound in KbdSet#1 that you were playing when you left the first Songbook entry (e.g. KbdSet#4)? When the keyboard automatically selects KbdSet#1 for Songbook entry #2, there's no audible change, because it's the same sound that is already selected.

Alternatively, you can write a Songbook entry to start with Variation #2 (or #3 or#4). If Style to KbdSet is flashing, the KbdSet corresponding to your chosen Variation will be automatically selected.

Seems to work on my PA700.....

[seaside]

You could use the keyboard set library for the song book entry instead of the keyboard set. I have saved my favourite sounds in banks named as Genre eg Ballad, Country, Rock.When you want to change a sound touch the screen(below select sound 1 and 2)and 8 sounds will immediately be available in that genre plus other pages.Of course style to keyboard must be off and hold screen to be on,if you want your sound selection to be before your eyes. -Terry

[siebenhirter]

[pippuzzo]

Hi there, don't want to fire up the discussion too much, but would like to express my experience here.

The time I prepare a Songbook I would like to recall it exactly as saved, everytime, no exception.
I had previously a Pa3X and had to switch all the time the button Style to KbdSet so that it doesn't recall KBD with styles, but recall it with songbooks. That's exactly what I get now with the Pa4x simply keeping always the button off. It was one of the big point to change the old model.
You can imagine how many times I did wrong with the Pa3x. I've to say: the Pa3x was a nightmare for me, absolutely not the current situation.
Also I don't have problems with running styles: I'm not always playing the keyboard when selecting a new songbook, it can happen very rarely and can work around it in a musical way. That's no trouble, my priority remains the songbook selection as said. As a side note (OT) I would like to have instead "smooth transition" like in Kronos, but this has absolutely nothing to say with the songbook selection. Now when you select a sound while keeping the old one sometimes it is kept, sometimes it change volume or tone, sometimes it is truncated. That's not really professional. And again nothing to share with the songbook selection.

I also saw in other thread about reintroducing the select button in songbook: well once in a store tried it again in an old model and it was very irritating doing the pre-selection and then the selection. Now you select everything directly and it is faster and easier (would like also the search doing like this). You can make errors while selecting a songbook? Yes, the same you can do selecting the wrong style, the wrong keyboard set, the wrong ending or the wrong chord. Everthing impact the performance. Playing a arranger is made of handreds of different actions and everyone it is a potential error, cannot see any logical difference between them. We cannot go back to confirm every action with "Are you sure?" ...

I'm not telling my opinion it is better than others, I respect all opinions, but it is probably good for some other people reading here but not writing. For me it is a big thumb up for the Pa4X, have good time playing it.

Cheers

[karmathanever]

@ pippuzzo
+1
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@ pippuzzo
+1

[siebenhirter]

[Korghelper]

I think one of the issues we face is that Korg's decision to include a fraction of the insert effects sections than many of their (often less expensive) competition has leads to these jumpy transitions. Even smooth sound transitions (which again, many have had for decades, Roland for example) are only a fairly recent appearance in Korg's arranger system.

But because the insert effect needs to change its memory registers (the usual way to do it is to mute out the entire thing while the registers reinitialize) and there are no 'spare' ones, it is very difficult to design keyboard setups that allow seamless transition between styles, even between Divisions, sometimes.

The standard is changing in the workstation world, newer keyboards are coming out with one insert effect per Part, and seamless transitions can be done on most current TOTL and MOTL workstations.

But Korg seem amongst the slowest of all the manufacturers to leverage their WS technology into their arranger line (still no real Kronos abilities in the PA line) and in consequence, practical issues remain unfixed.

Rather than baying at design changes that, even if they were reintroduced, wouldn't completely solve the issue, perhaps the time has come to bay at the moon for a solution that WOULD fix many problems once and for all?

One insert effect per Part, and a system that automatically switches to unused Parts at transitions should do the trick. Then it doesn't really matter HOW the SB is designed...

[siebenhirter]

[Korghelper]

I hardly think an entry level Roland BK3 exceeds a PA4X for computing power. But seamless sound transition is a doddle for the Roland. Not so much for the powerful PA4X...