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RKfan Senior Member
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Jan1 Platinum Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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That's a really nice one, also incl. the FX and sequencer.
I haven't heard anything about the price yet.
Mind you, the 4-voice polyphony means you only get one osc per voice.
If it allows for polychaining it would be nice to see Behringer release a module version of the Poly D.
Or maybe they have an 8-voice version planned for the future?
And although it may be ambiguous, I would welcome patch memory. |
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RKfan Senior Member
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Broadwave Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Jan1 wrote: | That's a really nice one, also incl. the FX and sequencer.
I haven't heard anything about the price yet.
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I like the "Mini Voyager" look of it - €/£699 as far as I can tell _________________ Synth DIY Projects |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Upside: haptic/size, keyboard, 4th Osc, sequencer, chorus
Downside:
- paraphonic isn't really polyphonic, in a way being useful for everyday use. Besides only being 1 Osc per voice and sharing one filter for all voices, what's mainly unnerving, is having to fine tune all 4 OScs for each patch, each time, manually not to sound dreadful (and then probably readjust during play on top).
- sound compromise: to adopt to the new mode, they seem to have put in headroom or whaever, preventing real Model D punch/overdrive behavior. To my ears the basic sound is nice, but not as in the face as normal Model Ds when set up properly and pushed a little harder. It's still a moog sound, but my Behringer model D sounds more like the real deal in my ears. I hope to be corrected by further testing. _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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megamarkd Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:54 am Post subject: |
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It seems more like their take on the Matriarch sans semimodular elements. The name Poly D is misleading, Para D being what it actually is. Perhaps it should have been called the Sargent Major, or maybe the Field Marshall? Or maybe even the Boogy Man? I like the the idea of the (Star Trek) Borg manifesto and take it on in my own musical ideology (grab stuff for one element that it has which is not in my arsenal yet), but Behringer have fallen down along the line in their attempts at it. They managed to accumulate a great team but then put them to work making contrived synths. I can only imagine what the staff must be feeling in terms of creative expression within their job. As much as it is nice to be getting all these physical versions of what's been released as software emulations for the last 20yrs, I have to say (it again and again), where are the instruments of tomorrow that the synths being cloned were when they were first released? _________________ Stuff I'm using: Umm right now, well there's a Volca Drum, a Micro Freak, an ADX-1, a Pulse, a Blofeld, a UNO Drum, KeyStep/Beatstep Pro/Keystep Pro (one of each), a Circuit, a LiveTrak L-12 and this nonsense: The Brief-case as it was about a bit over a year ago (the the complete ridiculous GAS monster collection here)and here |
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Jan1 Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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It may sound odd, but I expected the price to be lower than 700 Euros considering what is out there in terms of true polyphonic synths, even the ones from Behringer.
Maybe Behringer wants to avoid a situation where buyers have to wait several months due to production unable to keep up with demand? If so, the price will probably come down after some time.
Having watched the SonicState video I don't agree with Nick that a reverb instead of the chorus would have been preferable, I think the chorus sounds excellent and adds a lot, especially when there's one osc p/voice.
But I would have liked to see a reverb in addition to the chorus and distortion.
The sound is marvelous.
And as far as boredom among Behringer employees is concerned because they have to build synths based on old designs, I see a team comes across to me as a dynamic exuberant lot enjoying their work.
And what better way for Behringer to build a team of experienced engineers than letting them work on old designs and bring them forward into the 21st century?
The hands-on experience thus acquired is not to be underestimated, and this will certainly translate into interesting designs for Behringer originals. |
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Narioso Senior Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Jan1 wrote: |
And as far as boredom among Behringer employees is concerned because they have to build synths based on old designs, I see a team comes across to me as a dynamic exuberant lot enjoying their work.
And what better way for Behringer to build a team of experienced engineers than letting them work on old designs and bring them forward into the 21st century?
The hands-on experience thus acquired is not to be underestimated, and this will certainly translate into interesting designs for Behringer originals. |
+1
Nothing but impressed what they did so far - they really love what they do. It's like they absorbed everything done so far - and did it better in many ways.
I have yet to see a Roland synth that has preview before overwriting presets/programs.
- DeepMind allow that
- Nordleads allow that
- Prophet Rev2 allow that
- Kyra has at least view of name you overwrite
- Argon8, yet to see manual come out
- Prologue work fine too with nice sorting options and librarian to dump things you can overwrite last.
And Prologue has preview of subtimbres you are about to combine with current main - really good.
Korg CX-3 v2 had preview - not sure why not every Korg synth has it. _________________ MIDI gear: Sequential REV2.16, Prologue-8, Hammond XK-3C, Kawai MP7SE piano, Nord Lead 2X, Roland D-05 |
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megamarkd Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Jan1 wrote: |
And as far as boredom among Behringer employees is concerned because they have to build synths based on old designs, I see a team comes across to me as a dynamic exuberant lot enjoying their work.
And what better way for Behringer to build a team of experienced engineers than letting them work on old designs and bring them forward into the 21st century?
The hands-on experience thus acquired is not to be underestimated, and this will certainly translate into interesting designs for Behringer originals. |
Fair call. In my own experiences of being trained in creative design skills, I've been set tasks of reworking existing works, so really I should know better. But I still can't help but want more from their machine. The Neutron is a nice example of what they can achieve I guess.
Narioso wrote: | I have yet to see a Roland synth that has preview before overwriting presets/programs.
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- Kyra has at least view of name you overwrite |
Interesting that, as every Waldorf machine I own bar the Streichfett and 4-Pole have a compare function. Wonder why they dropped it for the Kyra? _________________ Stuff I'm using: Umm right now, well there's a Volca Drum, a Micro Freak, an ADX-1, a Pulse, a Blofeld, a UNO Drum, KeyStep/Beatstep Pro/Keystep Pro (one of each), a Circuit, a LiveTrak L-12 and this nonsense: The Brief-case as it was about a bit over a year ago (the the complete ridiculous GAS monster collection here)and here |
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