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SKung · Full Member Joined: 20 Aug 2011 Posts: 179

Then we need another hero who continues the work of this 'kronos hacker'.

GregC · Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:12 am Post subject:

SKung · Full Member Joined: 20 Aug 2011 Posts: 179

Thats true, maybe some kind of open source project with volunteers could do that job.
Start could be an image file from a Kronos harddrive, the sources available from Korg and the stuff from (Software Piracy Do Not Click).

Maybe we could find some guys who will be willing to help.

kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

why not just a little higher :
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Hector Space · Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:40 pm Post subject:

There is an awful lot about the Kronos that is right. And even when it isn’t it has the power and flexibility to deliver a solution.

To me the real issues are
1. Limited polyphony. If you layer just a stripped down SGX2 piano with a simple string patch and play piano properly with two hands and sustain pedal you very quickly run out of notes. Even if you turn off the sympathetic resonance and thin down the HD1 strings you still hit that not stealing algorithm too easily. Instruments like the Roland RD2000, Fantom and Kurzweil Forte all do much better in this respect.

2. The user controls and touch screen interface design are dated and pretty cumbersome. Really the control layout needs to change to be more like a Nord Stage, so the typical filter and envelope controls are actually grouped etc. Having led indicators is now the norm not the Oasis extreme. Resistive touch screens are really history. Capacitive touch screen are much more accurate and responsive and have been the norm pretty much everywhere else since before 2011.

3. User program and combi space. The Kronos has clearly out grown its user space for programs. It’s current bank system is simply not fit for purpose.

4. The Kronos midi implementation is a real mess. Without proper access to all the midi controller code ranges for all the Kronos panel and pedal controls even at global level they’ve miss a massive need. And to limit combi timbres to having to share global controller setup is really not fit for purpose. The pedal controller kludge is a perfect example of this poor design. The Roland’s Fantom or RD2000 or Kurzweil Forte's are way way more flexible.

So really I don’t care if it’s 32bit or 64bit. But I do care about how much processing power is available to play all the notes you expect from a modern top level workstation. And I do think the CX3 desperately needs a redesign to match what Nord can do. The SGX2 needs per note editing to match the competition and to really be considered world class. The HD1 need to be upgraded to match the anti aliasing performance of the Nord Stage 3 or even the Kronos AL1!

Plenty to do here for Korg. And some brilliant opportunities. Because they’re starting from a great place - everything (and there’s load) that’s great about the current Kronos.!!

GregC · Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:40 pm Post subject:

thats fair and accurate, and we can easily add more to that list. And I am not being tweaky.

And, hind sight makes us smart Very Happy

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janrhansen · Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:28 am Post subject:

janrhansen · Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:02 am Post subject:

Other than that, I really can't seem to get the hype about the Fantom. Its an overpriced Roland Piano with some software synth engines that does .. well about the same as a gazillion of other Software Synths does. It isn't innovation to create big moving Synth pads and synth lead sounds. You don't even have to pay for that anymore. There are loads of free or very cheap software synths that does that. it doesn't have to be Omnisphere or Keyscapeto be able to create some interesting synth and keyboard sounds. But that is propably also why the "Workstation" class keyboards have such downsize with most brands. You can get a lot for free or very cheap these days, so only musicians that is willing to pay premium price for Premium boards is professional session and gigging musicians and the big studios and professional music producers and arrangers already use Computer and software based libraries in a whole other league that you will ever find in a "hard/software" board like the Kronos.
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GregC · Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:37 am Post subject:

jan, I like your above posts.

I think your analysis is perfect- it focuses on what Korg is up against.

BTW, when Kronos came out +8 years, hundreds of posters said ;
" No way. I have all my VST's and my $300 Controller."

Absolutely, software is outstanding and the way to go for many.

I have been thinking Kronos is near EOL [ end of life]
Somehow, it keeps rolling along. If Kronos was not valuable, this
forum would be a ghost town.

And its really about music production. A person can write excellent songs
on Kronos. Or perform excellent covers.

thats why many buy a Kronos.

anyway, possibly, given your analysis, we might never see a Kronos type keyboard again. Business stuff.
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janrhansen · Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:14 pm Post subject:

And the Kronos is still an amazing machine, even we all can agree it could use some upgrades here an there. Its not the easiest machine to master either, if you want to get all down into all its 9 engines, karma etc. I doubt many uses just half of all its capable of. I know I myself baught it with the meaning, hey I know Korg systems. I have owned both the M and T-series, and worked a bit on 01/w and the Triton i think .. was the first keyboard ever with a touch display,
how hard can it be ??... riiight .. but I soon found out it was alot more complicated than just fiddling with the 2 osc. and EG's and LFO of the M/T series and adding a couple effects.. just the insert, master and total effects gave me a small headache to begin with to figure out, and just the HD-1 engine has quite more settings than the older boards. i have enough to play with for the next 5 years at least no matter if its near EOL or not, and besides I like to work at the keyboard instead of the PC, but a mirror output of the display to an external monitor would be nice .. hint hint Korg ... Razz

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