Korg Forums

[biggrime]

[Gunnar]

[geoelectro]

I agree. I mentioned a square wave is a square wave no matter how it's made as a visual easy comparison. You are correct that all square waves are not perfectly square. However, a digital representation can be made to be exactly like any other form of a wave. In fact, many analog waves are included in the sample list. In Omnisphere for example, they have waves directly sampled from analog synths.

Consider this, in an analog synthesizer, the oscillators are always running. This means the tuning differences and phase relationships are constantly changing as drift. In a digital oscillator, the oscillator doesn't usually run until a key is pressed. This could mean there might be a difference in those relationships due to depending on key closures.

When I started sampling back in the 80's, I sampled a Hammond organ. (Emax) What I discovered was sometimes notes sounded out of phase while other times sounded normal. I realized that a Hammond organ tone generator runs all the time so all phase relationships are set and don't change. However, playing back samples does cause these relationships to change since the notes only begin when a key is pressed. This was finally corrected with software modelling by having free running tones in software.

Perhaps this could be done (maybe it already is) to achieve an even closer to the real thing goal in synthesizers.

You don't see this as a problem in say a piano since even a real acoustic piano doesn't start sounding until a key is pressed.

It's funny, back in the day we bemoaned the tuning issues and slow warmup etc. Now, with perfectly tunes instruments, we now want to put it back in!

Geo
_________________
Kronos 61 : 3GB RAM 120GB 2nd Drv.
Kronos 2 61
Synthesizers.com Custom Modular
N.I. Komplete 11, Omnisphere 2, VB-3.
HP i7 8GB Win 10
Yamaha P-80 Weighted Keyboard. NanoPad2

[Bachus]

[KingKronos]

Bachus, please give my suggestion a try. If you use single cycle waves per step, you can indeed get the same sound as on a Blofeld or Prophet VS or the old classic WT synths.

I have a Blofeld, and had a DW8000 for a few years. The old type of wavetable synths simply used single cycle waves as oscillators. I used to put the DW8000's single data slider onto the oscillator parameter and move it manually to get a live scroll through the wavetables. I thought of it as oscillator sample and hold back then, before I knew better that it was wavetable scanning. You can still do this in HD1 or MOD7 by highlighting the PCM multisample and moving the data slider up and down, except that you have to keep pressing the keyboard note to trigger the new oscillator. The wavesequencer will automatically re-trigger each step for you.

In fact, you can use the Position parameter of the wavesequencer to cycle through the steps, either with an LFO or manually via ribbon. The same way the Blofeld cycles through its wavetables. When I was considering getting a Hydrasynth or a Quantum, I listened to some of the demos and managed to re-create their demos of wavetable scanning in the Kronos. Not 100%, but definitely close enough. WS can absolutely do old-school wavetable synthesis.

Granular:

Charles Ferraro has a video showing how to use the WS to get basic granular synthesis results. FX 60: Grain Shifter can do some basic granular too, try using it on Laugh or 1504: Marc Tree, for example.

You can do basic transwave synthesis with the WS too. You'll have to prep your sample first, by slicing it in the sampler into tiny chunks and exporting the lot as a series of wav files. Plop them into the WS, assign ribbon to Position, and bam, transwave!

[KingKronos]

Korg really do need to put a more modern type sequencer into a workstation.

It would be nice if they could use both the linear and pattern sequencer in the Kronos now, but also tack on a step sequencer and arranger type like found on the Fantom. A sequencer that keeps on looping while you add new parts to it, instead of having to stop and start.

I just found out about the Drumlogue. That will be interesting since it has a modern step sequencer. Bonus is that you can add custom waveforms like on the Prologue, Minilogue XD, and NTS1. I have the last two, and added a few user oscillators. There's even a phase distortion user oscillator, like the one from the Casio CZ synths.

Come on Korg, put it all together and release the Kraken!

[Bachus]

[trancedelicbluesman]

Having just joined the forum this is the first I am seeing this thread. Synthesis is a topic dear to my heart and the Kronos provides so many options. I see several things to try here.

Additive would be awesome to have, as would granular and wavetable. I wonder if Korg might add the latter 2 things as modes to the sampler, like Halion or the sampler in Bitwig?

People talk about differences in analog gear but to my ears there are also differences in software purporting to do the same thing. Otherwise why do so many electronic musos have dozens of virtual synths?

For example, to my ears all the synths by A. I. R. (Hybrid, Loom, Vacuun pro) have a lush sound--as does the Kronos in a different way--whereas all the synths in Bitwig have a certain bite to them.

One thing I knowfor sure, I am not about to exhaust the possibilities of the Kronos any time soon.

[exsequor699]

None instrument covers everything and "does it all", it doesn't work that way. But Kronos is great in many ways.

[davc]

it did a lot and had lots o stuff under the hood 10 years ago when the first Kronos 88 came out .. that's when I got mine .. ! many other synths , digi & analog have come and gone over the last decade in the studio ...
_________________
Korg Kronos 88 , Yam MODX , Dexibell S7 Pro , Emu Proteus 2000 , various fx pedals/racks ...

[KingKronos]

[ShaoCan]

Yes, I'd be happy to bet on this event.

[trancedelicbluesman]

[KingKronos]