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Kronos X and ASM Hydrasynth (keyboard ver.)

 
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Pedja
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:20 am    Post subject: Kronos X and ASM Hydrasynth (keyboard ver.) Reply with quote

I’m brand new in the world of synthesizers, of the kind like Hydrasynth.
I would find very valuable suggestions on the subject, from forum members, who have Kronos and Hydrasynth. Especially on the topic of modulation of Kronos (x73) sounds, using Hydrasynth (keyboard ver.). But also other topic, too. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:02 pm    Post subject: Good choice Reply with quote

It is widely accepted practice to have two boards, one weighted and one non weighted. As a complement to Kronos, Hydrasynth has in its favor an incredible sounding synth engine with many options and polyphonic aftertouch--very rare!

I have thought about getting one myself.

Not in its favor: it is monotimbral, only has 8 voices, and only has a 4 octave keyboard. But maybe AMS will come out with an expanded version...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks trancedelicbluesman for replay.
A few days ago, ASM announced two new models, the Explorer (three octaves, it also runs on batteries), and what is more interesting for you, Deluxe model, 73 keys with 16 voice polyphony. These are practically two ASM 8 voices machines, in one case. You can watch presentations of both models on YouTube. It will be available in the mid-November 2021.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very strange that no one has a similar combination, Kronos and Hydrasynth?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedja wrote:
Very strange that no one has a similar combination, Kronos and Hydrasynth?


I do Pedja,
but I have to confess I haven't done a lot with it. I have though, midi'd them together, and if I remember it was pretty straight forward like any synths.
Not that I push the midi implementation very far Smile

Trouble is I've been busy playing with other stuff!

One day 'll try out the ribbon controller to modulate the Kronos.
As far as the poly AT goes, the Kronos just responds to it once connected, so nothing extra to do there.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much DeltaJockey for reply, and information that is very important to me. Especially the respond of Kronos to Hydrasynth poly AT, after connection. I guess it's a Hydrasynth MIDI OUT and Kronos MIDI IN connection.
I hope, you have a little more time, to experiment, in the near future. Any experience would be very valuable to me.
I wish you all the best.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedja wrote:
Thanks trancedelicbluesman for replay.
A few days ago, ASM announced two new models, the Explorer (three octaves, it also runs on batteries), and what is more interesting for you, Deluxe model, 73 keys with 16 voice polyphony. These are practically two ASM 8 voices machines, in one case. You can watch presentations of both models on YouTube. It will be available in the mid-November 2021.


Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeltaJockey I finally connected Hydrasynth and Kronos (MIDI OUT-Hydrasynth and MIDI In-Kronos). However, in addition to Hydrasynth’s reaction to the poly after touch, I noticed a certain change of Kronos ’sounds, as well as Hydrasynth’s sounds. Ribbon on Hydrasynth does not affect Kronos sounds, I guess certain adjustments are needed on Kronos? The sounds of the Kronos are somehow sharper and weaker (requiring stronger pressing of the keys), while the sounds of the Hydrasynth are considerably weaker than that obtained without connection. It is possible to overlap both instruments, but it is also lost in the intensity, color and volume of individual sounds. Suggestions related to this experience of mine would be very welcome. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedja wrote:
The sounds of the Kronos are somehow sharper and weaker (requiring stronger pressing of the keys), while the sounds of the Hydrasynth are considerably weaker than that obtained without connection.

About adjusting external MIDI velocity and aftertouch (AT) control, in your Kronos go to the Global mode MIDI tab and select postMIDI for what Korg calls Convert Position. Then back to the Global Basic tab select different AT curves to affect external MIDI control data coming from your other synth.

The default preMIDI setting is to instead take advantage of the different velocity and AT curves while playing at the Kronos keyboard, with the external MIDI data going through the default "medium" curves. So in short, the postMIDI setting reverses this process with the velocity and AT "medium" curves set for the Kronos keyboard and allowing more precise control for incoming external MIDI stuff. From what you mention you experience using your HydraSynth, choosing a higher numbered AT curve (5, 6 or 7) should solve your problem. Do not use AT curve # 8, as it sends random numbers - it is only useful when you want to create weird effects.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KK thank you very much for suggestions. I really greatly appreciate it.
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http://moca.virtual.museum/autogallery2015/autogallery_kalajdzijevic/
http://moca.virtual.museum/autogallery2017/autogallery_kalajdzijevic/
http://moca.virtual.museum/dablog/dablog02.htm
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