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[AntonySharmman]

[JohnnysNet]

Good points! As someone how is interested in the Pa5X, this feature means to me: more complex productions! Modern music production is often more complex and 2 style/song players means basically, you have 32 tracks in total you could possibly use, right!? If I prepare 2 songs I play along with, a very powerful performance might be the result. As for the polyphony, I too believe, it's mainly a question of good sound design. In case you struggle with that, I think it could be a good idea to record a song as audio and put the mp3 file in the second player.

[Asena]

[AntonySharmman]

Just try the same with only one style in Pa4X ... crystal clear ! I don't remember you ever complain in Pa4X section for the obvious ...
Pa4X with stereo resources have 64 notes of polyphony (128 paired OSC) , Pa5X with stereo resources has 160 voices of polyphony (160 single OSCs)
Not advanced Physics nor Mathematics , just simple arithmetic for children , nothing to do with power users !
Always talking about factory resources , for custom resources I insist that it's a clear matter of skilled programmers to create OSCs priority.
If I want on purpose to run out polyphony , I can do it with just 4 elements of KBD Set as in Kronos with just a Combination ... great achievement

I can find limitations even in 512 stereo polyphony but I do not complain , the fact is that real stereo polyphony is increased 2,5 times from Pa4X and
the real problem here is custom stereo samples bugs that are remarkably reducing polyphony in KBD Set and this must be addressed ...
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[Asena]

[AntonySharmman]

Asena I do not have either the time to discuss of how you use your arranger and I really don't care nor to explain anything further.
The fact is that Pa5X has 2,5 times more polyphony in stereo samples than Pa4X , crystal clear ! nothing more to add on this.
Users that have bought it are aware and I just remind it to users that are not ...
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[worth]

All this back and forth waste of words but not a SINGLE demonstration of how combining 2 styles simultaneously makes for better musicality.

We always go down this technical rabbit hole when the discussion is actually about music .

Show me musically the benefit of combining 2styles that doesn’t sound like some AI monstrosity….

Show me

[karmathanever]

I thought it was designed to just fade-out of one style into another... (like players on PA4x except with styles)

Really can't imagine any situation when I would use it but that's just me.
The testing I did with it for a couple of hours presented several hiccups - in some cases dropping sounds and volumes - was incredibly unstable.

Would seriously like to know who uses this function and in what contexts - maybe situations I've not thought about.

Thanks

Pete
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[QuiRobinez]

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[AntonySharmman]

[QuiRobinez]

[voip]

Surely one of the benefits of the two style feature is that it allows the player to follow a medley style of playing, that keeps the punters on the floor dancing.

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[worth]

[quote="QuiRobinez"][quote="karmathanever"]I thought it was designed to just fade-out of one style into another... (like players on PA4x except with styles)

Really can't imagine any situation when I would use it but that's just me.
The testing I did with it for a couple of hours presented several hiccups - in some cases dropping sounds and volumes - was incredibly unstable.

Would seriously like to know who uses this function and in what contexts - maybe situations I've not thought about.
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For me it's really useful, I use it in the following situations:

- use an acappella vocal in the second player which plays then in sync with my style (the acappella was prepared upfront for that tempo by me in the daw).

- use a style with custom midi parts specifically for a song, this way I have the song recognisable elements in a style only and I can combine it with any style in the pa5x. Very nice to do this, because the song phrases can be easily created in a new style and then you can combine it with the full styles on the pa5x, ranging from ballads, to funk to blues. The sky is the limit this way and the song is always recognisable because you just play the song recognisable elements from that second style

- Use backing tracks in the second player to play along, the voice can be killed with the voice killer that you can assign to one of the three assignable switches

- load up the same midi file in both players, so you can compare them in realtime when you do the revoicing process

- load up two different styles in both players and mix and match them to find out what works well together, so that you can then create a new style in assembly mode with that combination

- loading a midi file in player 1 and add a backing track with just some well positioned add on patterns in player 2 (like for instance my above and beyond demo).

These scenarios I use a lot and I think it works flawlessly.

regarding the note stealing, I didn't have any problems with it, I agree with Antony, the sounds should make use of the note stealing algorithms, you can program that in your own sounds, the korg has features for that. But I'm used to the old skool 8 note synths or creating productions in a 32 note workstation, so for me the amount of polyphony is insanely high.

If the factory sounds causes problems (and I saw that some of the piano sounds for instance are programmed with lots of oscillators, then you can always, downsize the number of oscillators needed to get a desired result. If you have experience with the old synths then probably sound designers will do this automatically when creating their sounds.[/quote]

This sounds really promising . If you ever feel inclined or can find the time, a video demonstrating some of these uses would be really eye opening in terms of new ways to use this technology . Nothing you have suggested has been pushed by either Korg ( the company or reps ) or enthusiasts promoting the two styled engine feature .