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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I have had some great results with it but your question is interesting.
You will most likely find that the INTROs and ENDINGs will sound very "specific" but the VARs are often quite useable for different songs.
I does depend on the original MIDI file of course - any song with a fairly specific strong groove might be more restrictive.
Remember that it does take everything from the MIDI file and doesn't perform any real changes to the basic structure/groove of the original MIDI.
I created a style from a really good MIDI file of Barbra Streisand's "Guilty" - the intro was better than the record!!! But, yes, I could use the VARs for other numbers
Anyhow - give it a try on a few MIDIs and see what you think.
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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kbrkr Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've gone into some of the converted styles and removed the song specific intro's and chord changes. For example; I converted the Bob Marley song; Jammin' to a style so that I could get that great Bass/Drum groove. I now use that groove for all my Reggae songs. _________________ Pa5x, Yamaha Genos, ForeScore |
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QuiRobinez Approved Merchant
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karmathanever wrote: |
I does depend on the original MIDI file of course
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i've tested this feature a lot in the past 2 weeks. In general the results weren't great. In most test cases it created only 1 ! variation that could be used to play the song.
Then i started to experiment by modifying the midi files in a DAW that i used before in the creator bot and did found out some very interesting things.
if you modify the midi file in your DAW to use a maximum of 8 midi channels then about 80 percent of my midi files were coverted to really good styles, including correct intro's multiple variations, fills and endings.
This is a very easy process to do, you need to remove all the melody tracks and the non important parts in a midi file and assign the following midi channels per sound, so that you get a midi file with the following structure
Midi channel: Type of sound
09: Bass
10: Drums
11: Percussion
12: Accompaniment sound 1
13: Accompaniment sound 2
14: Accompaniment sound 3
15: Accompaniment sound 4
16: Accompaniment sound 5
Save the work you have done in your daw as a standard 0 format midi file and use that midi file in the the creator bot. This will give much better results then throwing random unmodified midi files at it.
The best results you will get if you are creating markers in your midi file. In that case you can decide what part of the midi file is an intro, variation, fill or ending. But in that case you don't use the creator bot but you import the midi file as a style with markers. This is much more work then the method above. But it will give the exact result you want. |
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D575 Platinum Member
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QuiRobinez wrote: | karmathanever wrote: |
I does depend on the original MIDI file of course
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i've tested this feature a lot in the past 2 weeks. In general the results weren't great. In most test cases it created only 1 ! variation that could be used to play the song.
Then i started to experiment by modifying the midi files in a DAW that i used before in the creator bot and did found out some very interesting things.
if you modify the midi file in your DAW to use a maximum of 8 midi channels then about 80 percent of my midi files were coverted to really good styles, including correct intro's multiple variations, fills and endings.
This is a very easy process to do, you need to remove all the melody tracks and the non important parts in a midi file and assign the following midi channels per sound, so that you get a midi file with the following structure
Midi channel: Type of sound
09: Bass
10: Drums
11: Percussion
12: Accompaniment sound 1
13: Accompaniment sound 2
14: Accompaniment sound 3
15: Accompaniment sound 4
16: Accompaniment sound 5
Save the work you have done in your daw as a standard 0 format midi file and use that midi file in the the creator bot. This will give much better results then throwing random unmodified midi files at it.
The best results you will get if you are creating markers in your midi file. In that case you can decide what part of the midi file is an intro, variation, fill or ending. But in that case you don't use the creator bot but you import the midi file as a style with markers. This is much more work then the method above. But it will give the exact result you want. | +1 _________________ Korg PA5X-76 : Yamaha Montage M8x : Roland Jupiter 80 : Waldorf STVC : Roland Integra 7 : Waldorf Streichfett : Focal Trio6 ST6 : Studio Outboards/RME Audio Interface/A&H SQ Mixer : |
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tombikadam Full Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:43 am Post subject: |
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QuiRobinez wrote: | karmathanever wrote: |
I does depend on the original MIDI file of course
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i've tested this feature a lot in the past 2 weeks. In general the results weren't great. In most test cases it created only 1 ! variation that could be used to play the song.
Then i started to experiment by modifying the midi files in a DAW that i used before in the creator bot and did found out some very interesting things.
if you modify the midi file in your DAW to use a maximum of 8 midi channels then about 80 percent of my midi files were coverted to really good styles, including correct intro's multiple variations, fills and endings.
This is a very easy process to do, you need to remove all the melody tracks and the non important parts in a midi file and assign the following midi channels per sound, so that you get a midi file with the following structure
Midi channel: Type of sound
09: Bass
10: Drums
11: Percussion
12: Accompaniment sound 1
13: Accompaniment sound 2
14: Accompaniment sound 3
15: Accompaniment sound 4
16: Accompaniment sound 5
Save the work you have done in your daw as a standard 0 format midi file and use that midi file in the the creator bot. This will give much better results then throwing random unmodified midi files at it.
The best results you will get if you are creating markers in your midi file. In that case you can decide what part of the midi file is an intro, variation, fill or ending. But in that case you don't use the creator bot but you import the midi file as a style with markers. This is much more work then the method above. But it will give the exact result you want. |
very valuable infomation, thanks |
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Sam CA Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:16 am Post subject: |
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QuiRobinez wrote: | ....
Then i started to experiment by modifying the midi files in a DAW that i used before in the creator bot and did found out some very interesting things..... |
I still haven't got a chance to play around with the updated version just yet. However,I did spend some quality time with the original version. It was interesting. Editing the harmonic and melodic structure of the song actually did NOT help the Pa4x for creating a better style AT ALL. In fact in some cases it would do a better job with the original midi file!!! I thought if I get rid of certain parts of the song, maybe that'll help the bot to make a smarter decision, but it didn't...In some cases it would completely throw it off. Not sure if that's changed with the new update.
It used to be a fully automated process so you couldn't help it with adding markers and stuff either. Not sure if that's changed. I'll have to run a few tests and compare. _________________ Sam
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