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subeih · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject:

I did consider buying a Kurzweil. We don't have yamaha motiffs in Jordan. However I remember playing the K2500 when the latest korg model was 01WFD, and it blew me away. However I feel that Korg is leading everyone else. I mean it's a matter of taste after all. Also in our region (Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, ...etc) the most popular brand by far is Korg and you can sell it much easier than any other brand. Also korg has a Joystick which I can use pretty well vs. the wheel.
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Amman-Jordan

silverdragonsound · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

Please forgive my ignorance and understand my post is not meant to be disrespectful, but instead is meant as a curiosity on my own part. What is the reason, in your opinion why the most popular brand by far is Korg and you can sell it much easier than any other brand? Is it because Korg has better sounds which are more usable in the music of your country/region?
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subeih · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:

Hi there,

Sorry for not replying earlier as I was out of the country for two weeks.

The reason is Korg became immensley popular after releasing the M1 and T3 that as soon as the O1WFD was released it followed on the success of the previous models. The main reason Korg has become so popular is because most musicians follow what others fellow musicans buy.

In western music you get to develop a lot of new sounds from your machines that are then used in songs (especially pop type). In our regions, keyboards are very much used for solo sounds and not chords since our music is melodic and not harmonice like in the west. Most don't want to go learn a new instrument, they want to buy a machine that already has so much support in the market (except studio musicians who tend to carry several different brands of synths for studio work)

Also becoming very popular now is a Ketron model called Vega, it's no where close to any of the top four makers AKA yamaha, roland, korg, and kurzweil.

As far as kurzweil is concerned top musicians know that it's of an excellent quality but quite expensive.

Also most of musicians like to use the joystick and not the two wheels and that's why korg succeeded more than Yamaha and kurzweil. Also because so many sounds have been developed for it already that makes it impossible for other brands to compete in this market. I believe if kurzweil offer a joystick option it will increase sales by folds.

That's my intake , actually most (live) musicians don't really discover the true features of the machines in terms of sound quality. Most just used sounds that are already there, maybe change the effects or something. And they add some ethnic samples that are needed in the keyboard for our type of music. Not many really apply the synthesis power of these keyboards.

I think Roland, Yamaha, Kurzweil can produce equally wonderful sounds, but I think korg is the best out of the box sounding machine.

I hope I answered your question, and again sorry for the delay

Best regards,
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Murad Subeih
Amman-Jordan

jinxby · Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 32 Location: New Zealand

Salam Subeih,

your English is infinitely better than my Arabic....I wonder whether Korg keyboards are also more popular, in Middle-East especially, because of the readily available Arabic styles, also the scale is quite easily switched to Arabic scale.
$US8000......quite a good price, I think that's the retail price in US. I think they cost quite a lot more here, despite the high $NZ.
Do you play much at the moment or will the Oasys or M3 (whichever you decide) be your first? I only ask because you will maybe need amplifier as well as keyboard...

ma'a al salama

jinxby

silverdragonsound · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:

subeih,

Thank you very much for your reply. Your explanation was exactly what I was looking for. I learned something new today and have gained insight into another region of the world and their keyboard preferences. Cool

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subeih · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:42 am Post subject:

Dear Jinxby,

Well, the truth is Korg doesn't make any middle eastern styles for their machines. Yamaha with their arranger keyboards made arabic styles, there is also too models by yamaha that are dedicated arabic keyboards.

Korg wins hands down with the sound quality, the past four years witnessed the emergence of Ketron Vega arranger (made by Ketron) which dominated pretty much most of the live setups due to wide range of sounds (which were not anywhere close to korg, Yamaha, or Roland)but still good enough. Where it really shined was it's arabic styles which were really good and very live like. That made them very popular.

As far as arabic scales, they are found in the global page, so not as easy as pressing a button as found on Yamaha arrangers or vega ketron.

As for styles, most work done on Korg was done through sampling of the Yamaha and Vega sounds, then converting their styles. I am not sure if it's viable economically for Korg to produce a dedicated EXB.

I can say if korg develops an EXB card for the PA1x series with Middle Eastern styles and sounds, they will rule the market in arranger keyboards as well.

In summary Synth are ruled by Korg. Arrangers are ruled by Ketron.

I am not sure what you mean by spending 8000USD. I lost you there.

As for me I had the pleasure of playing the Oasys two years ago in Amsterdam. I almost bought it several months ago, but cancelled last minute.

I have a PA1xpro which serves the purpose for me, since it has trition type sounds, sometimes i think you can produce better sounds on the PA1xpro than on an extreme in addition to some great styles (rock, jazz,..etc). For Arabic music we rely on people who sample sounds and copy styles from other arrangers.

I am thinking of buying an M3, but want to wait a bit before Korg decideds to introduce a newer version of M3.

I am not a professional musician. Music is my passion and my life but I am an engineer working in a private business, hoping one day I could become a full time mucisian.

Hope that answers your question.

Best regards,
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Murad Subeih
Amman-Jordan

jinxby · Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 32 Location: New Zealand

Hi Subeih,

Yes, sorry, my mistake. You quoted 8000 for the Oasys, and 3000 for the M3; just my memory skipping from one page to the next!

I wonder whether it will be quite a while before a new version of M3 appears, as it was only a few months ago M3 was released.

I'm sure you are right regarding the styles too....

Coincidence, I'm also in engineering, tool design in a can making plant, mainly for exporting milk powder.
I just enjoy playing keyboard, prefer jazz/blues, but will try to play a bit of anything really. My only hope of becoming a full time musician is when I retire....not too long to go!

I wish you well in you hopes of becoming a professional musician.

How good is the quality of the Pa1X Pro? I'm thinking of how physiacally sturdy it is ( for example, do you feel confident you won't break keys when you do a gliss or slide?), also whether it has been electronically reliable, and the consistency of the sounds (for example, notes, which you would expect to stay 'spot on' frequency, do they 'drift' at all?).

Regards...........Jinxby

cirlcleoftruth · Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

Yes it is true. The Oasys is the best sounding synth on the planet Earth. It only has a P....s**t, it's so old I don't remember the proceesor...only that it runs hot, eats up energy, and controls the overall power of the Oasys. As soon as the next generation comes out I will buy one.

Korg has always been ahead of the game, but they don't know how to market their products. I would double their profits in two years.... if I wanted a job that is.

GregC · Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Kevin Nolan

MartinHines · Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Kevin Nolan

Pilgrim · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: Re: M3 Vs. Oasys

Trinity2112 · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: Re: M3 Vs. Oasys

John Hendry · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:57 am Post subject:

Pilgrim John and Leah,

thanks for the review. I was wondering about that. I always wonder when people cannot hear "much" difference from the Oasys to the Triton or other brands. To my ears the Oasys sounds twice as good as anything out there. I also wonder when I more often than not see the Triton run in mono live. I am going to look at the M3 but after reading your post can tell I'll probably still wait to get an Oasys as soon as the next generation comes out. I have the original Oasys PCI card and have told myself I have to use it before moving on. For now I am making myself happy with mixing two M1s and a WS A/D mod together. For some reason I am over my Triton after hearing the Oasys. I find there is a warmth missing from the Triton that the WS A/D and O1w and even the M1 have that the Oasys brings back even better. I have a Roland JD800 that has a bug and needs to get fixed. That was Rolands best board IMO with a JD 990 connected so connected to my other Korg stuff I don't deserve more. As many have said it's not the machine, it's the player. So better to work on me than settle for less. If the Oasys had a better sequencer that did not make me "think" and lose a new flow of thought I'd jump on it now and sell the rest to make life simple. I would like to see a sequencer that would record every thing I do and just play it back with pushing one button. Accidents will happen and sometimes they sound good, but are hard to repeat.

Again, thanks. John^^

Pilgrim · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: Re: M3 Vs. Oasys

Trinity2112 · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: Re: M3 Vs. Oasys