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gorkymate Senior Member
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Jorge,
jhulk mentioned that he has some T llibrary samples.
We can ask him if he can send some.
I'm personally intrested in Roland samples like Staccato Heaven or OK Chorale if avaliable.. _________________ Korg Kronos 2 73, Korg Triton Extreme 61, Korg Trinity, Roland D-50, Yamaha DX7 IIFD, Korg T2EX |
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jorgemncardoso Full Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, i'm all for it. Adding new samples to the T3 is my goal. I think that with in the limitations of the T3 by today' s standards you can still expand quite a bit on this synth sonically.
By the way has anyone tried to work with this tools?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/korgutils/files/korgutils-0.6bin.zip/download
It can extract samples in wav from an img file, format t disks and create img files (disks) with samples from wav files. It's a very good tool
I'll try and make some sample disks if i can.
I'm still trying to understand how the sample implementation works on the T3 _________________ ________________________________________
Keyboard Gear:
Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's |
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jhulk Full Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 220 Location: walsall uk
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:08 am Post subject: |
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i have a load mostly single cycle wavetables
and a lot of noise spectra for choral pads
i released a load for the ex5 at the yamaha forums
they also work in the trinity and triton
as i made them in the trinity multisample script files as synthjoes
program converts them into t3 format multisounds
i did a lot of string synth wavetables
i have the dwgs all 64 of them
jd800/900 single cycle wavetables
all ppg wavetables as single cycles thats 60 per wavetable over 2000 wavetable spectra
by doing a preset with cross fading by joystic then adding 2 presets in a performance
and each cross fade uses different direction you can do prophetvs type sound easily
i can get 20 multisounds if i use 5 samples per octave
from c2-c6 which has a transpose range of c0-c7
i have the prophetvs full table
and loads of single cycles from many string synths from the british to italian to american to russion to japan
and the virus classic wavetable and many virus string synth sounds cut to single cycle spectra
i will be releasing some soon with some presets |
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jorgemncardoso Full Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 237
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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some new sounds and samples would be great
What type of sounds are you working on? I ask because i mostly use sounds for Rock, pop, progressive etc. So basically piano/ el. piano stacks, string pads, synth pads, bell pads, vocal pads etc.
Of the billion's of M1 sounds on the net there are not a huge number of sounds that i'm using.
Also is there any way or forms one can acess the 01W internal samples and extract some to be able to convert and use on the T3? I know it's probably impossible without re-sampling but worth a shot _________________ ________________________________________
Keyboard Gear:
Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's
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jhulk Full Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 220 Location: walsall uk
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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i would need to resample them but its possible
i have a 01w and i also do pcmcia multisound cards for it as using the waveshapers with single cycle samples
you get some great fm type sounds |
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jorgemncardoso Full Member
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Humm that's is interesting, you are able to make pcm cards for the 01W?
Are you also able to make some for the T3 as well? _________________ ________________________________________
Keyboard Gear:
Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's |
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jhulk Full Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 220 Location: walsall uk
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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we are working on 512k pcm cards
which will work on m1 tseries and the wavestation ws1 ex ad
the biggest problem is that the t and wavestation use 1 sample for decrement for the interpolation algo
the m1 does not use or need it
but i do all my samples with a few samples after loop end as
emax and other emu samplers dont like zero samples after loop end
so mine will always have extra non truncated wavedata for this its only a few samples but it keeps the t and ws happy
also i make them -2db as the ws can clip and cause bad distortion
the 01w uses a 2mb pcmcia sram card and is compatible with the wavestation sr and other 01w revision synths that have pcmcia slots like the m3
which uses the same pcmcia slot but uses a different ram card slot for presets
also korg uses a few different formats for its sample engine
on the 01w they use the compressed frequency format which is 31.25khz
compared to the 16/24/32/48 of the t and original ws1
the trinity can use any of the formats
but for the t series with ex memory
its easier to load by floppy and cheaper |
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jhulk Full Member
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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downside to doing ram pcmcia cards for the 01w is that they are very expensive £80-100 for the sram cardwhich is way to expensive for doing commercial sets
but for me and my personal use its ok as i dont mind the extra costing
the pcmcia writing software was also very expensive
it would be nice if a pcmcia to cf adapter could be created with some switching circuit to do banks like the z1 i have a 16mb cf card which can have many banks of presets |
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jhulk Full Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2011 Posts: 220 Location: walsall uk
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: donation ware |
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this disk i just created has taken me 3 days sampling creating the multisounds and tuning them in the machine
this disk is great for choirs and choral sounds and string-pads
if interested pm me
they are in img omniflop format so no postage is involved |
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jorgemncardoso Full Member
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hi jhulk, that's great man, i'm interested. Just PM'd you.
Best regards _________________ ________________________________________
Keyboard Gear:
Korg: Trinity, 01/Wfd (2X), T3 ex, Wavestation SR
Yamaha: Motif XS8
Roland: expanded JV-1010 modules (3X)
...And a bucket load of Softsynths, plug-ins, and DAW's |
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jhulk Full Member
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jhulk Full Member
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Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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i need to explain about multisamples in the t and adding samples
as there is confusion
now the wavestation uses the same type small multisound as the t m1 01w and many other korg synths
most multisamples in these synths are additive 8 sample multisounds as they were created on the dsm1 as was most of the sampling for the m1 and why there is an option of loading dsm1 performance disks
the t has 2 banks of 256k but luckily in the t its memory is not made to be like this
unlike trinity which has boarders of 2mb so if you load a multisample which has more than 2mb of samples it will remove the sample that is to much
now the samples in the t are tiny most are single samples set at c5 uptransposed to c6 and why you get no sound on the top keys when set to 4'
samples like this are the pole and the lore and why they get slower when playing the lower keys
its the same on the d50 which only uses 1 sample
and what gives character to these instruments
so to create sounds another synth makes be it d50 01w wavestation
k1/k3/vfx or many others is to sample the actual rom sounds that make them and recreating the patch in the t
if you want to go the route of sampling actual patches from synths then you are going to need more samples in a multisound to get it to sound right and longer sample times
which means 1 or 2 multisounds per sample disk only
this is in keeping with other sample libraries like the emax EII s330 s50 s550 w30
which all have upto 512k memory like the t
when doing samples for these they only have a small amount of samples then rely on making many presets using the sample data as the start sound source
now i have just done a arpsolina string sample of the 8' drawbar i did 9 samples from c2 to c6 in every 6th key at 44khz for 4 seconds each
then i converted them to 24khz a devision the t uses
this reduces the samples sizes
but gives me a realistic sounding loops and sound per sample i the trim them leaving a few samples after the loop to keep the t happy
then create a key map
i could only get one multisound in the 512k memory on the t at this size of looped content and amount of samples per multisound
now it sounds great in the 2 by using it in 8' and 4' like on the solina as it uses octave mixing of draw bars to get its sound
and you can get the solina sound on the t
you can make 1000's of variations of patches with this one sample set because like the real machine you just change the levels of the 2 draw bars and envelope setting for the vca the filter on these they dont have an envelope
but just a tone control which can be done on the t as you just dont set envelope amount
now if you want patches sampled from patches they need to be sampled with out modulation of filter or vca or any lfo pitch modulation or fx
as its very hard to loop and they never sound correct when you apply more modulation and fx
and you will need longer samples as the sound evolves over time and the sample size of the t is just not big enough ok to do in kontakt as it can have very long non looping samples with disk streaming
ok on the oasis or the kronos or samplers that have at least 128mb of sample memory but when we have only 512k there are limitations to what we can acheive
SO ITS MUCH BETTER TO SAMPLE THE SMALL CYCLIC MULTISOUNDS
THAT MAKE UP A PATCH AND RECREAT THE PATCH WITH THE SYNTH DATA FROM THE ORIGINAL as thats how korg/roland/emu/kurzweil/yamaha/ensoniq and others have done it |
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synthjoe Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hi jhulk,
Just loaded the waveforms from your 'jmlpcm01' disk. Great waves!
I particularly liked the analog (modeled) waves, very good sampling! How did you do it? Or was it modeled? Anyways, these are waveforms that are not otherwise available on this synth and it really helps in being able to create a nice/close approximation, imitation of the originals!
Thanks for doing it, a great addition to this great dynosaur! |
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synthjoe Platinum Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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synthjoe wrote: | Hi jhulk,
Just loaded the waveforms from your 'jmlpcm01' disk. Great waves!
I particularly liked the analog (modeled) waves, very good sampling! How did you do it? Or was it modeled? Anyways, these are waveforms that are not otherwise available on this synth and it really helps in being able to create a nice/close approximation, imitation of the originals!
Thanks for doing it, a great addition to this great dynosaur! |
Same for the Solina, Eminent and VP330 samples!
Only one suggestion: could you bump the sample level up somehow? They sound weak when compared to the built-in sounds. However, I've seemed to notice some distortion in one particular case - perhaps the gain structure of my program was not adequate? They sound really good, I don't know why there is this level difference. Have you noticed it?
Great job, again. Completely different character than the onboard sounds. |
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jhulk Full Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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i do them -2db as in the 01w and the sr if they are louder they distort as the gain structure is higher
but i could normalize them to -1 or 0db if you require
the spectral noise samples are -4db as if i add them higher you need to filter them a lot more as they become more noisy
i can normalize them if you need just let me know
the analog waveforms are sampled from analog machines and jd800/jd990
digital synths and a jp8080 va synth
the noise spectra are additive synth generated sounds with noise both white and pink and high frequency sin
the levels are the generated level
the solina eminent and vp330 choirs are sampled from my analog collection for 4 seconds the looped and trimed and resampled to 24khz
to allow the amount of sample content
i have done all the korg pcm cards and the x5dr multisounds missing from the pcm cards that are included in the x5d
this includes the full 01w/m1/t`1 sets
500 multisounds on the x5d
i have3 done all the emu modules proteus 1/2/3
morpheus/ultraproteus
im doing the EII 1500 preset sounds from the 600+ banks
done the pcm sets from the ensoniq sd1
the k1/k3/k5m
d50/d110jd800/jd990jv2080
but these are only a few multisounds per disk unless its a single sample like the d50 or d110 or jd800/jd990
which i can get much more |
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