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[jerrythek]

Hi guys:

All good points. I also forgot to add the other thing that was loved on Ensoniq sequencers - the easy Compare Screen that let you quickly switch back and forth from the new edit/take to the previous. All Korg sequencers can do this using the Compare button, but putting it right up in your face made it more obvious.

Derm:

His name is Charpentier - Albert. Along with Bruce Crockett and Bob Yannes - perhaps you bought them all some nice things...


To learn a bit more about how RPPR can help your writing flow, download the new RPPR Song Template maps we made and consider making some new drum tracks triggering the parts in realtime. Much more intuitive and musical than "pastings" bits of data along a timeline!

http://www.korg.com/service/downloadinfo.asp?DID=1105

Track looping - different styles of music require different methods, and this feature was an often-requested and now used function. It is true that it becomes especially useful along with the Cue List, but I know of people who rather than using the Cue List would simply build up different sections of a Song in individual Sequences, and then use the Copy commands to build them back up into a single song later. So there are many ways of working.

Sas:

I too like the concept of the "never stop" workflow, and hope to move more in that direction. It seems that it becomes way more difficult to manager the ability to keep changing tracks etc. in realtime when arps and KARMA are generating the data and not just the keyboard. There are more things to keep track of to be sure there are no hung notes and other errors. But I agree that it is a great way to work.

Having a track record for an undetermined length of time, and then "pop" into loop mode and move on to the next track... cool idea. It's not unlike the loop recording design paradigm of things like Polar in Digital Performer... And for Ricky (our resident historian) these concepts go all the way back to Dr. T's software for the Commodore 64. I too like the idea of looped/multiple take recording as a way to try out different solos and ideas. Some sort of virtual tracks along with this mechanism would help to keep this all idea neatly together when trying ideas on a single part, and then it needs a diffeent consideration when trying to move from drums, to bass, to guitar etc.

So, let's put it this way. Spill out your ideas, your dreams and wishes as always here. We do read and listen and learn from it all.

Regards,

Jerry

[Daz]

[Daz]

[jerrythek]

Yup - there's a lot of unused power in the Edit Commands that just need some exploring. Try to find out what something can do in addition to just wanting things to be different.

A general observation that I will offer is that our current system is "procedure based". You decide you need to do something, and then you go to that command, set the range/parameters etc. and do it. Some of this discussion about workflow is about naturally finding the next thing you need to do, or the command you want while in the same place. This would be enhanced by rearranging a lot of elements so you don't have to leave a screen/page to do common things. Like staying in an event edit view and being able to do more stuff with the data you're looking at...



regards,

Jerry

[Daz]

[jerrythek]

Not to worry, Daz. I can always choose not to get involved if I were uncomfortable with what was going on. I'm good at lurking...



regards,

Jerry

[sasori]

"Imagine if the Oasys focus had been inverted. How many of use would have bought something that had the Triton engine instead of HD-1, the MS2000 engine instead of AL-1 and Karma 1.0 (as per the original kbd) but had the best sequencer and disk mode ever devised. "

That would be me. As the ESQ proved, improved sounds can come later. Theres no need for great sounds if you can't get the songs down while they're still rolling around in your head.

Mind you, I'm talking about making songs, not music. The live demo's of the OASYS that I saw illustrate that it is the Chapman Stick of keyboards. Great for rambling-on music (no insult intended). If its made to be as fast at creating structured songs there won't be a reason for serious composers to buy any other keyboard, computer or music software.

Of course, I might be a special case; I have the memory capacity of a dog.

[thekeymaster]

Hi there folkies,

Well I'm glad the sequencer has been discussed,I have mentioned it a couple of times in wishlists on various forums.I dont think its as bad as we all make out but it is a main area by which I think Korg could stray from the normal Trinity/Triton operation on the Oasys.The screen cries out for a more software sequencer type editing facility.

I must admit I cant comment on Ensoniq's sequencers but for me I have always thought Roland have led the way with regard to hardware Sequencers.I predominantly use my keyboards in live situations and the Oasys will be the hub of my main live rig.One thing that needs addressing is its ability to transmit more than one midi channel per track.The Roland way of doing things by making all 16 midi channels recordable per track is far more useful.

Example,one track could soley be assigned to EXT and transmit data to another Keyboard in multi timbral mode,you would still have 15 tracks left but if they all record 16 midi channels each you dont have to worry about assigning each INT instrument to its own track.It would make the OASYS a much better controller in Seq mode.

Also Rolands Fantom X seq with Audio expansion is a great way to edit Audio.Very similar to a software seq.I think we have our seq of choice and I have always had a soft spot the way Roland incorporate the seq in there worksations.

I must admit I need more time with the Oasys seq to be able to make a true opinion but from my intial tweaking I think Korg have an opportunity here to really set a standard for all to follow,they have produced what is in my opinion one of the best hardware synths ever, based on Software.To incorporate a more software approach to their seq on this machine would really seal the Oasys as possibly the best of both worlds.With all that power of sound creation at our fingertips,which I understand was always priority and rightly so,I think we now need to make music from this machine in the most possible simplistic and intuitive way as Korg can imagine.

Oasys V 1.2 DAW style improvements to the seq in midi and audio tracks.oh plus a dedicated Vocoder not an effect.(hint hint)
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[sasori]

I took Daz's advice and checked out Ableton Live.
Korg, stop the R&D! Just convert live and you've got it done.

Thanks Daz. Now, I'm looking for a perch for my laptop to hover over the OASYS. I tried Live before but it didn't really sound good with the internal instruments (I run a dual-proc with a Layla). Plus, at the time, midi response was laggy.

Seems to run the OASYS fine; Now I need to make a template for this setup.

[StephenKay]

[Francois]

[Drew FM]

Since the Oasys has the touch screen capability, Why not make it so you could 'draw' your own velocity curves like a software sequencer? I realize that currently it recognizes local pressure, but if you look at the screen (the touch matrix) with it turned off, you can see that it has plenty of resolution to do this. This could be expanded to many parameters of the Oasys, not just the sequencer..............

Andy
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