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tommy1340millar
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Full-featured, 16-track Sequencer
Can anyone show me where to find this please?
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karmathanever
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Now that is interesting - nothing in the manuals and neither in the specs in the manual.
Must be in the "tech/Reference" manual we don't have yet??????
Not even on their website except for this very vague comment:-
"You can record a MIDI Song using a full-featured Sequencer. Even easier, just record what you sing and play (including MP3 Songs) as an MP3 file, and listen to it anywhere you like."
So, do they mean "on-board sequencer" because I can't find it in the manuals....???
In the specs on the website it vaguely implies you can edit a 16-track MIDI song but I see no reference to and track editing/recording - just FX etc...
Puzzling...
EDIT:- Hit the REC/EDIT - sequencer is there..... - P 39 in Perf manual
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davekalbach
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: sequencer |
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| tommy1340millar wrote: | Full-featured, 16-track Sequencer
Can anyone show me where to find this please?
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I believe its all handled through the Mixer (Tracks 1-8, then 9-16)
Not a traditional Sequencer Display like the Kronos
Demo from the Video Manual here: https://youtu.be/StLmcgfWygU?t=159
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kbrkr
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Are you sure this is not the "Chord Sequencer" ?
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tommy1340millar
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| karmathanever wrote: | Now that is interesting - nothing in the manuals and neither in the specs in the manual.
Must be in the "tech/Reference" manual we don't have yet??????
Not even on their website except for this very vague comment:-
"You can record a MIDI Song using a full-featured Sequencer. Even easier, just record what you sing and play (including MP3 Songs) as an MP3 file, and listen to it anywhere you like."
So, do they mean "on-board sequencer" because I can't find it in the manuals....???
In the specs on the website it vaguely implies you can edit a 16-track MIDI song but I see no reference to and track editing/recording - just FX etc...
Puzzling...
EDIT:- Hit the REC/EDIT - sequencer is there..... - P 39 in Perf manual |
MANY THANKS!!
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tommy1340millar
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| kbrkr wrote: | | Are you sure this is not the "Chord Sequencer" ? |
No, I tried that first! That's more like the old 'quick record' function.
I tried to put a screenshot from Korg website, but I'm not smart enough 
It definitely says
"Full-featured, 16-track Sequencer"
I'm suspecting it has been reduced in priority due to Korg's monitoring of keyboard trends.
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worth
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| Can anyone that actually has access to the pa5x confirm whether or not it actual does have a fully featured 16 track sequencer or is it similar to the Yamaha genos ? |
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tommy1340millar
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| worth wrote: | | Can anyone that actually has access to the pa5x confirm whether or not it actual does have a fully featured 16 track sequencer or is it similar to the Yamaha genos ? |
Hey Worth! long time no speak!
I'll tell you one thing - there's NO facility to import a sequence from my Pa4x midi files on a stick. 
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worth
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Hi Tommy . Great to hear from you . I am bouncing around in a taxi with my wife on a surprise trip she arranged for me as I text 🤣🤣. Long story 😂.
Anyway I am quite shocked that something as simple as an explanation about the existence of a fully featured sequencer has become so confused and elusive in terms of a clear unequivocal answer.
Korg had 7 years to develop test and adequately document via a detailed manual the features and functions of this long awaited keyboard .
They had sufficient time to market and release a virtually bug free product ready and fit for purpose from the get go .
It’s almost like they are intentionally sabotaging their own business and alienating their client base .
Not a great launch for this product at all .
I looking at another route to enhance my existing fantastic pa4x |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:22 pm Post subject: p5 |
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Worth
you said it right.
intentionally sabotaging their own business , the new owner business ideas ( #%!*&^%#& ) or did they just get together, and put the pa5x together in January 2022..
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tommy1340millar
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I'm hoping it comes in as an update to the o.s.
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davekalbach
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| worth wrote: | | Can anyone that actually has access to the pa5x confirm whether or not it actual does have a fully featured 16 track sequencer or is it similar to the Yamaha genos ? |
I don't want to steer anyone the wrong way with bad information, but I did test this today.
Yes it has a 16 Track Sequencer. However I'd call it much more of a 16 Track Recorder. You can recored (overwrite or overdub) any single track. So far, I've not been able to arm multiple tracks which I think should be available.
I was unable to record any of the Style Functions as well. Everything I recorded, I had to play. So it's back to the Recored Track 1, Record Track 2, etc...
I then thought maybe I could at least record a Style Session to an MP3, and then load the MP3 into one of the tracks, but this functionality does not seem to exist.
As most everyone knows there is no Quantize Function as of yet, however you can record in with varied resolutions from 1/8 to 1/32, and then HIGH (assumed 1/64th) which should act as a live Quantizer, but nothing after the fact.
I don't see any track edit functions - I had dead space during the first measure while I tried to think of something to play, and couldn't delete it. SO I started every other track a measure late just to complete the recording.
I also had to make sure I selected a muted track to listen to what I had played thus far. The recorder automatically arms the selected track, so if you had just recorded track 10, and wanted to play it back, you would be overdubbing or overwriting track 10 when you played it. To get around this, I selected a muted part which effectively turned off the armed track. Doing this however leaves you limited to 15 tracks - until you overdub your last track and save (16 tracks)
I'm no musician like most of you, I just enjoy learning and playing. This is nothing like the Sequencer in Kronos, or my Digital Recorder - but the Sequencer (Lets call it a Recorder for now) is there.
On a positive note: The right side of the display has only a Single Tab (MAIN) - this leads me to believe they have some ideas and quite a bit of room for development.
In short:
Could not Record / Arm multiple tracks at once
Could not Disarm a track to hear playback
Could not Record Styles to build from (A MUST HAVE Feature IMHO)
No Quantization after Recording a Track
Instruments could be changed after they were recorded (MIDI Recording)
Interface was much simpler than the Kronos - yet very limited in capabilities
I didn't pefer the Veritcal Tracks (likely just used to seeing horizontal scrolling)
Sound quality is great however - I think a big improvement over the 4x with sounds, and styles (All preloaded with Chord Sequences)
Hope this helps those of you who have been asking. I'll keep working on it and see if I can find some solutions.
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tommy1340millar
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THANKS DAVE!!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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sigh.. was really hoping for a bit more - namely a piano roll editor
surely in these days of touchscreens l LINUX OS its not too much to ask?
After all - KORG already have a touch screen sequencer type of product in their iOS/iPADOS Gadget line of Apple OS apps.
That product - obviously a kind of Ableton-lite ( micro-lite tbh ) rather than a linear sequencer - was written in a cross platform C++ library used by a huge number of developers in the pro audio/music app world - namely JUCE
and JUCE supports in a limited fashion porting to firmware and ARM. Not trivial but do-abled.
So KORG - why not port all the piano roll from there to the PA5 ? or failing that - borrow the code from the KRONOS ?
I think its also a missed opportunity not to use the need to redesign the PA OS - to not properly support - vis hardware and software internally - full connectivity to a DAW.
It seems to me a false logic to expect composer type dudes to buy BOTH a workstation like a KRONOS or MONTAGE - AND an arranger board - when really - for extra dollars - one could have all in one.
After all - when one looks at 88 key workstations from KORG and YAMAHA ( not so much ROLAND really ) theres tons of empty real-estate on the panels to the left and right - that could be populated with buttons - for arranging
Arranger boards - particularly ones with built in speakers - make use of the available panel-real-estate to the fullest.
MONTAGE and KRONOS have way too much empty-potential button/knob/fader - space on the board. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, KORG Pa5X only has 1 MIDI recording mode.
Multitrack! (only 1 track separate record)
QUICK record (style+PAD+upper1,2,3+Left) NO!
SETP by STEP .... NO!
Korg Pa4X: 3 mode MIDI record
Multitrack (only 1 track separate record) YES
QUICK record (style+PAD+upper1,2,3+Left) YES!
SETP by STEP .... YES! |
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