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DaPale
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| karmathanever wrote: | Those FAQs were published over 18 months ago.
Note that there are no commitments and lots of TBAs.
Have Korg refreshed this? >>> No |
As long as it is TBA there is no need to update.
Work in progress or still backlog.
For the customers a little timeline would be nice.
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| DaPale wrote: | | As long as it is TBA there is no need to update. |
Are you serious???
So you buy a new expensive car and the aircon doesn't work - they tell you that it is being addressed but a date is "TBA"
then after 20 months you just accept that there is no update on progress???? ....You're a very patient and trusting person 
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DaPale
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| karmathanever wrote: | | DaPale wrote: | | As long as it is TBA there is no need to update. |
Are you serious???
So you buy a new expensive car and the aircon doesn't work - they tell you that it is being addressed but a date is "TBA"
then after 20 months you just accept that there is no update on progress???? ....You're a very patient and trusting person |
No. If the airco is one of the primary functions I need the car for I will sell it when the airco is not delivered and purchase another car.
And I agree with you that it is frustrating that there are fundamental functions missing in your workflow maybe , why not look for another brand. That is a dilemma. I have Yamaha as my primary brand and it is all the same. Expensive devices that are not updated often or not being supported after another device is launched.
I think another brand is not much different than Korg 😞
We live in a world where it is no longer about quality but to earn money as quickly as possible that devices will not last long. That's how we keep buying.
Don't forget they're rewriting the whole operating system . That takes time and then products are also placed on the market that are not yet complete. Unfortunately, that is normal in the software world. I think this is also the case with Korg. The old OS didn't look, old-fashioned and couldn't keep up with this time. In fact. Korg does not excel in user-friendliness. Far from it. Why 1000+ page manuals to explain your device.
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Bescki
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Next Patch? |
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| Bachus wrote: | | Any chance we will see a 1.3 or 1.5 patch any time soon? |
Still we are testing beta ver 1.2.1, after successful test, there will be another beta version 1.3 this year. And the stable version will be available on 2026 version 1.5.
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DaPale
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Next Patch? |
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| Bescki wrote: | | Bachus wrote: | | Any chance we will see a 1.3 or 1.5 patch any time soon? |
Still we are testing beta ver 1.2.1, after successful test, there will be another beta version 1.3 this year. And the stable version will be available on 2026 version 1.5. |
Sorry to ask, but I read so much disappointment and anger in your messages towards Korg how they communicate and the state of the Pa5X software, I can imagine that. But what makes you continue to use Korg products and not switch to another brand that might make you feel more comfortable?
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D575
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| DaPale wrote: | | karmathanever wrote: | | DaPale wrote: | | As long as it is TBA there is no need to update. |
Are you serious???
So you buy a new expensive car and the aircon doesn't work - they tell you that it is being addressed but a date is "TBA"
then after 20 months you just accept that there is no update on progress???? ....You're a very patient and trusting person |
No. If the airco is one of the primary functions I need the car for I will sell it when the airco is not delivered and purchase another car.
And I agree with you that it is frustrating that there are fundamental functions missing in your workflow maybe , why not look for another brand. That is a dilemma. I have Yamaha as my primary brand and it is all the same. Expensive devices that are not updated often or not being supported after another device is launched.
I think another brand is not much different than Korg 😞
We live in a world where it is no longer about quality but to earn money as quickly as possible that devices will not last long. That's how we keep buying.
Don't forget they're rewriting the whole operating system . That takes time and then products are also placed on the market that are not yet complete. Unfortunately, that is normal in the software world. I think this is also the case with Korg. The old OS didn't look, old-fashioned and couldn't keep up with this time. In fact. Korg does not excel in user-friendliness. Far from it. Why 1000+ page manuals to explain your device. |
Large sections of users have spent many years buying into the Korg Eco system and are, in many cases, veteran users who would not consider other brands (of which there are very few these days) as they would be considered inadequate in many way...
For instance, the korg style structure are unparalleled in comparison to other brands, then when you consider Yamaha flagship arrangers compared to Korg, you will find Yamaha have built a brick wall around their system in comparison to Korgs historical advanced systems and deep editing capabilities, this is why you have over 1000+ pages of manuals...
So for many returning Korg users, it is completely understandable why they are reliant on korgs arranger philosophy...
Perhaps you are a little dismissive of some justifiable expectations considering the volume of complaints and the general fall-out over PA5X...
Korg dropped the ball with this keyboard in many ways, and the effects are still being felt, whether you like it or not, so telling people to move on in a small and limited specialised product market, is unhelpful and quite frankly unrealistic for many...
Quite simply , if Korg would better communicate, then much of the discord would melt away. Customers deserve better when buying Specialised Premium price products like PA5X, this customer base is small and should be looked after because of that very fact.
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DaPale
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| Quote: | Large sections of users have spent may years buying into the Korg Eco system and are, in many cases, veteran users who would not consider other brands (of which there are very few these days) as they would be considered inadequate in many way...
For instance, the korg style structure are unparalleled in comparison to other brands, then when you consider Yamaha flagship arrangers compared to Korg, you will find Yamaha have built a brick wall around their system incomparism to Korgs historical advanced systems and deep editing capabilities, this is why you have over 1000+ pages of manuals...
So for many returning Korg users, it is completely understandable why they are reliant on korgs arranger philosophy...
Perhaps you are a little dismissive of some justifiable expectations considering the volume of complaints and the general fall-out over PA5X...
Korg dropped the ball with this keyboard in many ways, and the effects are still being felt, weather you like it or not, so telling people to move on in a small, limited specialised product market is unhelpful and quite frankly unrlistic for many... |
I understand what you mean and by doing so they are destroying their own market. I must honestly admit that I have hope as a new user and understand that it is quite a task for Korg to build a new operating system like the Pa5X and with new technologies. I work in the IT world myself and understand what a challenge it is and that you cannot market everything completely, otherwise you will be much too late and the competitor will have already passed you by.
On the other hand, I exchanged the Korg for my Yamaha Genos because the Korg offers many more professional features. What I'm already missing is the ability to convert midi files into styles. I'm going to experience it and if I get the same thoughts as many people here then this is my first and also my last Korg Arranger.
I would think it would be a shame if the Korg community died because people lacked the pleasure and motivation to help others. I notice on this forum that there are quite a few new Korg users and are very eager to help each other. It would be a shame to be included in the feeling that a number of experienced Korg users have here.
The Pa5X is a masterfully good device if you look at the advanced features as they are now, the construction materials, the matrix, the screen, the new controller functions.
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Bachus
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| karmathanever wrote: | | DaPale wrote: | | As long as it is TBA there is no need to update. |
Are you serious???
So you buy a new expensive car and the aircon doesn't work - they tell you that it is being addressed but a date is "TBA"
then after 20 months you just accept that there is no update on progress???? ....You're a very patient and trusting person |
Sounds a bit like the new companies from the US? Tesla, Fisker, Rivian.
Its nothing really strange in these days..
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Bachus
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| karmathanever wrote: | Those FAQs were published over 18 months ago.
Note that there are no commitments and lots of TBAs.
Have Korg refreshed this? >>> No |
Thats what has been keeping me from buying a Korg pa5x. And the reason behind my questions. The fact that Korg Italy seems to have stopped communicating and showing signs that they are actually developing the things they promised here.
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Bachus
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So why do people stick with Korg?
Probably because the pa5x is the only arranger clearly aimed at pro players?
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It,s an EXPENSIVE KB, and if you wanna sell it now, No one will pay you the price it cost you, Max 3400 Euros for used one, And Some stores sells New for 3790 Euros. Thats why many are still waiting for a Miracle .
It,s not a good thing that KORG did this time, And for sure we all are very disappointed,
This will never be forgotten.
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Bachus
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| Asena wrote: | It,s an EXPENSIVE KB, and if you wanna sell it now, No one will pay you the price it cost you, Max 3400 Euros for used one, And Some stores sells New for 3790 Euros. Thats why many are still waiting for a Miracle .
It,s not a good thing that KORG did this time, And for sure we all are very disappointed,
This will never be forgotten. |
Why do you keep saying “we all are disappointed”. While there are clearly two camps. Many people here are quite happy with their pa5x witouth any issues.
The only thing people seem to agree on is that Korg fails to communicate and that their updates take way to long..
However, for most the Pa5x is a fully functioning keyboard.
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DaPale
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Bachus wrote: | | Asena wrote: | It,s an EXPENSIVE KB, and if you wanna sell it now, No one will pay you the price it cost you, Max 3400 Euros for used one, And Some stores sells New for 3790 Euros. Thats why many are still waiting for a Miracle .
It,s not a good thing that KORG did this time, And for sure we all are very disappointed,
This will never be forgotten. |
Why do you keep saying “we all are disappointed”. While there are clearly two camps. Many people here are quite happy with their pa5x witouth any issues.
The only thing people seem to agree on is that Korg fails to communicate and that their updates take way to long..
However, for most the Pa5x is a fully functioning keyboard. |
I agree with you.
I just registered on this forum as a new Pa5X user and when you start reading you immediately notice how many negative messages there are. That is not fun for new users to read and does not really help the community. If you bite through that, you will also read that, with all due respect, it is always the same people who have complaints about Korg.
The point is that complaining here makes no sense and is only frustrating for the readers who are either new or want to get positivity from the forum/ And Korg doesn't read it I assume. It would be nice if they would take a look at this, by the way.
I'm happy with it and looking forward to the new updates that are coming anyway and hope that they will present all their upcoming features as mentioned on the Korg FAQ pages this year.
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Bescki
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Next Patch? |
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| DaPale wrote: | | Bescki wrote: | | Bachus wrote: | | Any chance we will see a 1.3 or 1.5 patch any time soon? |
Still we are testing beta ver 1.2.1, after successful test, there will be another beta version 1.3 this year. And the stable version will be available on 2026 version 1.5. |
Sorry to ask, but I read so much disappointment and anger in your messages towards Korg how they communicate and the state of the Pa5X software, I can imagine that. But what makes you continue to use Korg products and not switch to another brand that might make you feel more comfortable? |
Yes, I am disappointed. My primary job is keyboardist. I play music in some hotels and clubs, 3 to 7 times a week. I use some factory styles and sounds, but usually I use my own styles and sounds. My own styles (with intros) created with pa4x don't work how it was supposed to work. there are many styles that I need to create from zero. Style editor is missing some important functions. a lot of things missing and stops me creating new things, while new version can tell us to convert again styles (I hope, I don't want to lose all my work on pa4x.). And yes, it stops while playing with it.
I have bought pa5x in September 2022, and still waiting for a stable version after 18 months.
I have been fun of Roland, I still love Roland Va-7, while KORG have stollen many functions of Roland arrangers, but Roland decided to stop making professional arrangers, I don't know why.... (if Roland decides to continue with arrangers with large sample memory, I am sure I will continue with Roland).
I don't love Yamaha, it's not bad, but not for me, My Pa5x is still better than Genos 2.
I just want to have a good Pa5x. I know that it will be perfect keyboard in the future...
I would like to have any information from KORG, if there will be any update until 15 March. if not, I need to find any other alternative.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Next Patch? |
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| Bescki wrote: | | My own styles (with intros) created with pa4x don't work how it was supposed to work. there are many styles that I need to create from zero. |
You're supposed that still working in lives with your Pa4X , right ?
If your styles were exclusively made from scratch into Pa4X (not migrated resources there) , then now convert your whole current Pa4X SET
you're working with , under latest Pa5X OS v1.21 and this will work properly with only some minor adjustments.
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