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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Just a random article:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/11/apple-grows-to-74-of-worldwide-pc-market-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac

Still doesn't say anything about the music biz which at least in Holland is absolutely dominated by Mac, with the exception of the EDM FruityLoops crowd.

Sharp · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject:

Seems to vary depending on the link. Under 3% according to this link.
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Whatever it really is, it's still pretty small. I'd bet it's made up of mostly people working in digital media and musicians.

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danmusician · Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:10 am Post subject:

I REALLY hate to enter into a Mac/Win debate, but I'll add this perspective:

I've used a Mac since my SE/30 running System 7 with Performer and Finale in 1991. I was a Mac zealot for a long time. I took all kinds of abuse from Windows users over the years (and probably dished out my share as well.) I've watched many of those tormentors switch to Mac in the 10 years since the iPhone was introduced.

I use and enjoy a 12.9” iPad Pro and an iPad mini. But, I'm done with MacOS when my current hardware needs replaced. MacOS has become too intrusive, a complaint I used to hear from windows users. It's become too much like a tablet interface. The final straw was last fall's MacBook Pro lineup. I had been waiting to update my 2009 MBP. Upon seeing the new lineup (the expense, the hardwired RAM, lack of ports), I surrendered and went looking for a PC laptop. Digital Performer now runs on Windows so I'm not tied to macOS anymore.

In the process, I got a previous generation MBP on closeout. It will likely be my last Mac unless Apple changes course by the time I need a new computer.

For Windows and MacOS, I wish they would give you the option of choosing a stripped down user interface. How about letting us have an interface without little pulsing icons and such and let us use that computing power for actual work? It's amazing how powerful computers are today compared to my SE/30, which was a screaming machine in its day. But so much RAM and processing power is wasted on bells and whistles.

Apple keeps advertising the iPad Pro as a "computer." I suspect that they're setting up the market for an eventual merging of the Mac and iPad lines. It will be a sad day for the Mac when that happens. What was once a great platform will become just another consumer appliance.
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Koekepan · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Posts: 617

I know people will laugh (probably mockingly) but Linux is becoming an increasingly viable musical platform. Sure, it doesn't have Logic, it doesn't have DP, it doesn't have Cubase - but it does have credible realtime options, a solid base of software of its own (not least of which is support for a few rather impressive packages, Bitwig among them).

Windows has become a bad joke, what with its unilateral rebooting and upgrading decisions (on what planet is that a defensible choice for a professional OS, Microsoft?) and not a month ago I was helping a friend of mine who had lost vast numbers of music files to iTunes. Totally, fundamentally, ludicrously unacceptable to anybody who works in media. Period. (The friend in question is a journalist, who waxed bitterly lyrical on the threat of Apple thinking that text files might be similarly dispensible.) The intrusiveness is annoying; disappearing files is utterly inexcusable. The very idea that this might have been acceptable just shows how far off the cliff Apple drove.

At this point, part of the credibility of standalone hardware is precisely because the major OS creators have been enthusiastically screwing the pooch. Want to be sure it'll run when the lights turn up? Don't use Windows. Want to be sure everything will be there when you need it? Don't use Apple. Want a polished environment? Don't use Linux (although it is improving).

A dedicated master workstation is still the way to go, really.

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

FWIW, in Windows 10 Pro you can turn off automatic updates if you prefer. I don't really get the comment about unilateral rebooting, the days when Windows needed to reboot after every application install are long gone.

You can also turn off most of the "make it look pretty" features if you like, though they hardly impact audio performance since they use graphics card accelleration.

In the end, I think all computers suck to some extent. It's just what you're used to that determines which works better. There was a while where Apple had the clear advantage with CoreAudio and CoreMidi over flakey Windows implementation but Windows has moved forwards where OSX has moved backwards. Unfortunately, Linux is still too limited for me. It's true there are a few DAWs that support it now but most audio hardware isn't supported beyond class compliant modes and almost none of my plugins and synths woulf work.

Regardless of OS, using a high end audio interface with stable drivers does a lot more for computer stability than anything else. And at the end of the day you're looking at the Cubase/Logic/Sonar/ProTools screen most of the time, instead of dealing with OS idiosyncrasies. So use what you're comfortable with.

danmusician · Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:36 am Post subject:

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EvilDragon · Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject:

That does NOT happen in W10 Pro. It happens in W10 Home. In Pro you can defer updates and do them at your own convenience. It is not unilateral, and MOST CERTAINLY does not happen in the middle of any sort of work.

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

That has also been my experience running two Windows 10 Pro systems the past year or so, doing lots of live and studio work.

Soundsgood · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:18 am Post subject:

You can just turn off the Windows 10 update service:

https://mspoweruser.com/turn-off-windows-update-windows-10/
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fcoulter · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:42 pm Post subject:

If you're running a computer for music, why the hell do you have it online? Networking your computer can throw up all sorts of interesting timing issues.

Any computer I'm running for music will be disconnected from the world. (Sorry Roland)
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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I have never been to any studio that keeps its computers offline. I know that this used to be a thing in some circles, especially during XP times, but I certainly couldn't do it. I constantly need to send and receive audio files, look stuff up, grab samples from YouTube or Spotify, authorize or download software etc.
Being online has never harmed any of my systems that I could tell.

danmusician · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject:

Derek Cook · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:50 pm Post subject:

EvilDragon · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:59 pm Post subject:

Cortana can be disabled. See Spybot Anti-Beacon. Then you get the regular search from W7 back.

Also, there are tweaks possible that make Cortana use the browser and search engine of your choice. It's a Google search (sic) away Smile