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Koekepan · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Posts: 617

There are a couple of things worth remembering.

First, Uli's promise is to equip musicians to a level that he could not achieve when he was young. He has done quite well at that. Love him or hate him, you know what he's shooting for.

Second, while some things that Behringer produces are fairly generic (but let's face it, analogue mixers are pretty much a generic item, with a few variables) in many cases they've augmented the original concept. The DeepMind could easily be construed as a Roland rip-off, but then again they did things with the concept that Roland never did. Similarly, the D clone that they're working on now is ostensibly the same - except that it's not. Moog didn't add all those patch points, didn't put it in eurorack format (I know, eurorack didn't exist then) and so on. Again, like it or not, Behringer is not just a clone factory, but an aggressive and (at least moderately) innovative competitor.

Third, many musicians have limited budgets. Whether it's because they're young and struggling, or because they have day jobs and can't make ends meet through music, so they have a limited gear budget after rent and food and baby strollers and minivans and all that stuff. A product, regardless of how lovely and sustainably created and fair trade organically sown in harmony with the stars and ... and whatever is frankly irrelevant if it's unaffordable. To me, as to many, a minimoog might as well be made of platinum and decorated with star sapphires - it's just not a justifiable purchase. Even if I had four grand to spend on it (spoiler alert: I don't) I'd be better off buying a 61-key Kronos and a crate or five of wine with my savings.

So, I guess this turns into a challenge for all those who bemoan Behringer: supply the budget-constrained musicians of the world with better instruments, cheaper, and put Behringer out of business, because otherwise the history suggests that people will continue to buy Behringer because it's the best deal going.

BobTheDog · Platinum Member Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535

I think the problem we see with Behringer is the same we see with Amazon.

Both companies at the moment are willing to not make that much profit, their aim is to remove competition not to make money.

When the competition is gone what are you left with?

fcoulter · Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:15 pm Post subject:

fcoulter · Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject:

I just read the post about the Deckard's Dream DIY 8 voice synth. If you buy the DIY version, then you KNOW where it's been assembled. In your basement.

Heck, there are a bunch of DIY Eurorack synth modules out there. Every one of them can be built in your basement. Just remember to not rest the hot side of the soldering iron on anything flammable.
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GregC · Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject:

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Sharp · Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject:

Apparently the Deep Mind 12 is supposed to be one of the most complex and unique Analog builds ever. I remember reading in SOS or Future music that it's architecture has over 4000 components or something like that.

Must see if I can find that article.

Sharp · Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject:

Found it at SOS.

"4000 components, the DeepMind 12 is one of the most complex synthesizers that has ever been built"

http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/behringer-deepmind-12

How about them apples Kevin Wink

Sharp.

spaceman3 · Platinum Member Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Posts: 520

Broadwave · Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject:

jeremykeys · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject:

Thought I'd chime in here for a bit after having lurked on this thread.

First, if I can I prefer to purchase a product made here in Canada. Buy local so to speak. It helps support the economy and work, etc. But the thing I have to always consider is the cost. Sure, I'd absolutely love to have a locally made synth, Modcan though is way way out of my budget. I'm not Deadmau5.

http://www.modcan.com/index.html

I also can't afford American made synth. So I buy mainly Korg. It's the same with guitars for me. My Strat is Mexican, My Epiphone is Malaysian, my next guitar will be a Mexican made Martin. I do have 3 Canadian made acoustics but they're all lower end.
I used to worry more about keeping work in our country but I can't. I try though but unfortunately it always boils down to cost. I also used to worry about politics entering the picture but there's not much I can do about that either.
Yup, it's sad.
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BobTheDog · Platinum Member Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535

I have a Simon&Patrick acoustic and three Godin guitars so I'm supporting Canada for you Wink

GregC · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:31 pm Post subject:

jeremykeys · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: