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wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

Hi,

After many years of using the Pa800, I have a Pa4x now. I am feeling difficultly while I play Pa4x because of low trigger point on keys. I feel I am little late in fast song performances sometimes. I never felt this with Pa800 before. I dont talk about connect with MIDI cable and record via Audio Interface. I talk about live performance when I connect with speakers.

Do you have same problem? Or any idea?

robthemuso · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject:

Yes for the 1st time last night I experienced the same latency problem.
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wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

Is there any solution for this latency problem? I cant play comfortable with this issue.

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10398

What are the details of your gear, set-up and connections.
Latency usually relates to the external equipment's processing speed and not the source itself.

Could not see this being a keyboard problem.

Very curious

Pete Very Happy

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wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10398

This sounds serious.
Can you please give exact examples - style/tempo etc..etc..

I would like to test this on mine.

Many thanks

Pete Very Happy

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wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

Thanks for concern.

It doesnt matter style, tempo or sound. I got this with every sound. I tried for you factory preset (not my traditional samples)

You can try with Ballad / Modern Ballad / Keyboard Set (1. Trumpet & Mute / 2. Electric Piano / 3. Synth Pad / 4. Lead Synth)

All samples start to give sound POINT that I show in picture...

Regards

karmathanever · Platinum Member Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10398

Sorry but your picture is not visible on my Mac

If this happens on all styles, sounds etc then I suggest you return your PA4X for replacement.
I have never experienced or heard of Korg arranger keyboard latency problems on all the Korg models I have owned.

You may have a faulty keyboard. Definitely get a service engineer to check it and witness the problem

I wish you luck.

Pete Very Happy

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wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

I have a request from other friends who have Pa4x. Would you please press the key of your Pa4x and check it? Is your sound triggering point lower, as in my keyboard? There's no second Pa4x I can control around. I would like to know if your sound trigger point is upper or not. I'm leaving a Google Drive link below. There's one picture and one video file. I guess the picture in my other message can't be seen by you.
Please I need this information for talking to dealer.

Picture:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B64D8oDehN_RdjUtcm16a3FNSkVWZWpvMEFKWEhyZG83MW44

Video:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B64D8oDehN_RbGluRDNaN2ZMLVpEdWJjNXlLbnhjNDI4dmFV

ova · Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:20 pm Post subject:

Same as in your video

Tom04 · Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:47 pm Post subject:

Latency is in this case the wrong word. I would call it the trigger. in my opinion, don't know if I'm exactly correct, the velocity is measured in relation to the speed you press a key. And to measure speed you need a distance to measure. This maybe the reason for the " (measuring) distance", when you press the key.

Tom04 · Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject:

For my own interest I made a test with some ohter keyboards,
PA4X, Ketron Audya5 and MOXF8. The result ist always the same as seen in your video, so I think it's correct and like I said before, neccessary to determine the velocity.

wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

I'm sorry for my bad English. Yeah, I was talking about the trigger point. Pa800 is not at home now. Then I will do the same test with it. If your pa4x triggers from the same point, then my keyboard is normal. I was scared for a moment.

But if I add my own opinion, I think such a low trigger point creates some difficulty in fast performances. Just my idea...

Thank you very much to the friends (ova, Tom04) for feedback.

worth · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 1096

Just watched the video . For the speed you are playing the key ( very slowly ) there should be no sound at all . Have you checked the touch sensitivity settings ?

wade21 · Joined: 08 Feb 2014 Posts: 28

Thanks for reply "worth"

Actually it doesnt matter we press the key slow or fast in this point. You will get sound from same trigger point. Fast or slowly pressing can effect the velocity amounts. If you press fast and strong you will hear strong sound and if you press slowly you will hear soft sound. If you ask about that I tried different "Velocity Curve" settings? Yes, I tried and I got sound from same trigger point all of them. (fixed, soft 3, soft 2, soft 1...)

I pressed slowly you to see the trigger point. If I press fast you cant understand and see where is starting the trigger point.

If you have opportinity to check your trigger point as my video, please feedback me.

Regards