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Carbo
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 Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:03 am Post subject: SAX GROWL |
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Anybody got a suggestion as to a breath controller I could purchase that is compatible with the Kronos? Looking to add that distorted over the top growl so many sax solos exhibit. I've loaded aftermarket sax samples and they're awesome but looking for a sax on eleven!!
If there is a simpler solution using onboard Kronos effects, would clearly prefer that. I've played around a bit and not found anything but you guys know this board better then me, so all comments welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Peter
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frequent asked question.
Get SOP's sax sample
Its on sale. a no brainer. hear the demo
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Carbo
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Hi Greg, thx for the assist. I'm actually using the EXs177 sound pack from SOP. It definitely got me most of the way but that growl, almost distorted sound of a sax blown hard is missing. It's very possible I am not using some of the Kronos capabilities, but I've tried the joystick as well as the vector and not really feeling it.
Thats why I was asking about breath controllers as a last resort, and that may not be the solution either. I'm stumped as usual!
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| Carbo wrote: | Hi Greg, thx for the assist. I'm actually using the EXs177 sound pack from SOP. It definitely got me most of the way but that growl, almost distorted sound of a sax blown hard is missing. It's very possible I am not using some of the Kronos capabilities, but I've tried the joystick as well as the vector and not really feeling it.
Thats why I was asking about breath controllers as a last resort, and that may not be the solution either. I'm stumped as usual! |
I am almost positive it’s on some of the programs
Make sure u slowly move the joystick up to get that sound
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| Carbo wrote: | Hi Greg, thx for the assist. I'm actually using the EXs177 sound pack from SOP. It definitely got me most of the way but that growl, almost distorted sound of a sax blown hard is missing. It's very possible I am not using some of the Kronos capabilities, but I've tried the joystick as well as the vector and not really feeling it.
Thats why I was asking about breath controllers as a last resort, and that may not be the solution either. I'm stumped as usual! |
I am almost positive it’s on some of the programs
Make sure u slowly move the joystick up to get that sound
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Carbo
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I'll give it another try and let you know. Possibly need to adjust the sensitivity of the joy stick so its range is muted and its easier to hit the sweet spot.
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Hector Space
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| Carbo wrote: | | I'll give it another try and let you know. Possibly need to adjust the sensitivity of the joy stick so its range is muted and its easier to hit the sweet spot. |
I have the updated Version of the Sax (EXS 277) it has samples with growl. But here's a tip that works really well.
If you add ring modulation (ifx) with say effect depth under the control of say after touch you can get a really good growl out of most switched sample sets. You have to choose a suitable modulation frequency but once its right it works really nicely.
I’ve also added some pitch droop to the after touch so that it comes in if you really press down hard. Say about a semitone. This provides you with real vibrato and expression even when you’ve only got one hand free!
Finally some overdrive is good (I use an ifx preamp) because that’s sort of like what happens to the sound when it’s close mic'd.
Works well on the Kronos 61 and also my Kurzweil Forte.
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Great idea will give it a try. Thx Hector!
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| I have never installed additional sounds but was looking for a decent SAX sound. Do you need to delete anything from the Korg Kronos factory load to accommodate the new sounds? Is it hard/risky to accomplish? I don't want to mess up anything on the Kronos as I am totally happy with everything else. Sometimes my big ideas go bad... |
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Hector Space
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| whelafam wrote: | | I have never installed additional sounds but was looking for a decent SAX sound. Do you need to delete anything from the Korg Kronos factory load to accommodate the new sounds? Is it hard/risky to accomplish? I don't want to mess up anything on the Kronos as I am totally happy with everything else. Sometimes my big ideas go bad... |
I’ve installed EXS 277 Sax pack 2 from the Korgshop. It has some pretty good Sax samples and makes use of the round robin sample sequence feature to keep the instrument sounding fresh and real.
I didn’t need to delete anything. But I have modified some of the additional programs that came with the pack to provide more finger control with aftertouch routed to pitch bend down and razz via ring mod. Also making them monophonic with a little bit of glide is cool. All in all it’s a good sample set and makes a solid base to build your sounds. |
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| whelafam wrote: | | I have never installed additional sounds but was looking for a decent SAX sound. Do you need to delete anything from the Korg Kronos factory load to accommodate the new sounds? Is it hard/risky to accomplish? I don't want to mess up anything on the Kronos as I am totally happy with everything else. Sometimes my big ideas go bad... |
I’ve installed EXS 277 Sax pack 2 from the Korgshop. It has some pretty good Sax samples and makes use of the round robin sample sequence feature to keep the instrument sounding fresh and real.
I didn’t need to delete anything. But I have modified some of the additional programs that came with the pack to provide more finger control with aftertouch routed to pitch bend down and razz via ring mod. Also making them monophonic with a little bit of glide is cool. All in all it’s a good sample set and makes a solid base to build your sounds. |
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The Sax EXs offerings are a must have.
You can squeeze some decent sax from Kronos factory programs but after awhile, the quality solution is an EXs.
Even the factory Sax in Montage/MODX are not in the same league as the EXs.
Sax, all 3 types [?] are an important acoustic instrument to have in your sonic arsenal. Gigging keyboard players likely don't care much but us home studio people have an exacting requirement.
Not going to discuss $5000 arrangers.
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