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Liviou2004
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| robbie50 wrote: | | Jan1 wrote: | | For what it’s worth, there are no new engines but there ARE new sounds on the Nautilus: EXs301-314. |
 How do we (Kronos users) get this NEW sounds?
Will someone post them? 
Greetings,
Rob |
Nautilus has new samples in Rom. So some new sounds won't be playable in Kronos. |
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kronoSphere
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Since years it is less a question of sounds and more the question of the ways offered to manipulate them.
And Korg would be well advised to take some looks at some VSTi and in particular : Manipulator.
This Manipulator has a kind of interface which is very funny and at the same time very simple and it boosts a lot the creativity.
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ITguy54
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| entonio wrote: | And don't compare the price of the N to the K2. The K2 won't be around much longer, if it's still being manufactured at all. When the K3 appears it will be more expensive than the K2 and the N will
see a price drop.
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Do you have any proof for these statements? Or is it pure speculation? |
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ITguy54
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Living without AT can be done. But the missing 9 faders is a different thing. Are there any drawbar controllers that can be used with the Nautilus? Meaning of course that there is matching controller ports (out from the drawbars and in for the Nautilus) for both units. |
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ITguy54
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Hedegaard wrote: | | entonio wrote: | The boot time may very well be mostly I/O bound.
What suggests the processor is the same is that noticeable UI lag.
I find it amusing that people assume it is better than the Kronos in some invisible way, such as processor power or sound quality. We've seen zero evidence of that. It has some minor improvements to the UI and for the rest it's worse in everything. Get that into your heads. |
I tend to agree with you.
Looks like a repackaged Kronos even down to the unfortunately horrid 8" display in VGA quality.
I suppose its difficult to be innovative when they already practically have almost "everything".
I mean what other synthesis types are there?
There is so far inside the Oasys/Kronos/Nautilus:
FM type synthesis
Analog or at least analog emulator
Digital waveforms, like PCM
Some piano emulators and organ emulator
String emulator
Some vintage gear emulator - Polysix and MS20
Sampling capability
What other synthesis exists out in the wild? (emulation dosen't count)
Theremin type - I suppose can count for something.
So its difficult to innovate when there already exists the known types inside one package. |
There are lots of other types of synthesis out there. Additive synthesis/resynthesis for example. And look at all the additional capabilities with the digital oscillator on the Prologue and Minilogue XD. So Kronos does not have all known types of synthesis. |
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ITguy54
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| KK wrote: |
- Some interesting new piano multisamples. Here too, other ones must be eliminated or reduced to accommodate the memory limits which are identical on both units, so the new Fazioli lost its una corda, etc. I personally prefer the old Fazioli for that reason.
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Where did you get this information? |
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KK
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ITguy54 wrote: | | KK wrote: |
- Some interesting new piano multisamples. Here too, other ones must be eliminated or reduced to accommodate the memory limits which are identical on both units, so the new Fazioli lost its una corda, etc. I personally prefer the old Fazioli for that reason.
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Where did you get this information? |
Korg - quote and link below. It makes sense, since why would Korg name/supply identical versions of the Italian/Fazioli in two different EXs. It's obvious the Nautilus version of it is smaller to better accommodate the memory limitations (which are exactly the same as the Kronos) given that new Nautilus sounds are also loaded in memory.
So in a few months, when EXs302 becomes available with the others (that what's happened not so long ago with the EXs20 and EXs21), it will for sure have a smaller size compared to the more complete EXs21.
EXs302 – Italian F Piano
12 velocity levels, no Una Corda samples
https://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/nautilus/specifications.php |
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Lightbringer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Hedegaard wrote: |
I mean what other synthesis types are there?
There is so far inside the Oasis/Kronos/Nautilus:
FM type synthesis
Analog or at least analog emulator
Digital waveforms, like PCM
Some piano emulators and organ emulator
String emulator
Some vintage gear emulator - Polysix and MS20
Sampling capability
What other synthesis exists out in the wild? (emulation dosen't count)
Theremin type - I suppose can count for something.
So its difficult to innovate when there already exists the known types inside one package. |
Wavetable
Additive
Granular
I’d say those are the major/popular synthesis types not present in Kronos or Nautilus. You can sort of fake Wavetable with wave sequencing and granular with HD-1, but there aren’t really true engines dedicated to exploring these synthesis types in detail. |
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Liviou2004 wrote: | Not even the least tiny enhancement on the Synh engines !!
Just read the specifications : its the exact Kronos without Karma.
Even the available RAM has not been enhanced !!
The SSD Drive is the same 60 GB....
Oh, yes, there is a modification : the screen is smaller than the Kronos. Wouah ....
And another one : no aftertouch anymore...what a progress !!
Nothing more to say .....
Oh, yes, I forgot : As for the choice of name .... you all know the end of the Nautilus: Captain Nemo scuttles it to sink with it !! |
Do you not understand,that the Nautilus was not meant to be the successor to the Kronos....but rather,the Nautilus was designed to be a budget version of the Kronos?
Korg is being extremely generous,by providing virtually all the power of the Kronos,into a streamlined & affordable package.I don't expect people like you to be grateful for this offering,but can you at least stop whining & incessantly complaning about and view this product for what it was meant to be?
No musical instrument company has EVER offered this much power in a workstation keyboard at this price point and yet,legions of people online are complaing about the Nautilus....how utterly pathetic.  |
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| GregC wrote: |
For $2699 [ 88 size],
I am not impressed by the computer spec.
If they upped the RAM, processor and SSD size, I would be more convinced.
I have a hard time justifying $2699 for average processing/storage spec
I bet $10, you or I can't get inside Nautilus and swap out the SSD. |
Perhaps then you should consider spending a few hundred more for the Kronos LS model? |
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GregC
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| highlandstudio91 wrote: | | GregC wrote: |
For $2699 [ 88 size],
I am not impressed by the computer spec.
If they upped the RAM, processor and SSD size, I would be more convinced.
I have a hard time justifying $2699 for average processing/storage spec
I bet $10, you or I can't get inside Nautilus and swap out the SSD. |
Perhaps then you should consider spending a few hundred more for the Kronos LS model? |
My post is critical of what I perceive as zealous cost cutting, or of a corporation that could justify an over due component upgrade in their new $2699 keyboard.
I also have said Kronos is over priced , Fantom overpriced and Montage.
If a new Nautilus 88 ws priced at $1999 , I would not be critical
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| janrhansen wrote: | | Its not supposed to be a new or "better" Kronos". This is released only to combat the Modx. |
How exactly is the Nautilus supposed to "combat" the MODX?The Nautilus is a full-blown workstation...whereas the MODX is just a performance synth.
Does the MODX have a fully editable 16 track sequencer?A 16 track audio recorder?An open sampling system?A 60GB HD?
While there are folks who misconstrue the MODX as a workstation(due to the performance sequencer) and cannot seem to distinguish between that and a SONG sequencer)...the fact remains that the MODX was designed for performance and the Nautilus was designed for song creation. |
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| GregC wrote: | | SeedyLee wrote: | | GregC wrote: | It will be an excellent seller.
Folks will get over tactile everything and get into virtual controls.
Korg knows who will buy it before the buyers even realize it.
Its the Siren Song of Shiny New in 2021, for gigs to be in 2021/22. |
If folks are expected to get over tactile everything, and get used to virtual controls, then they might as well get an iPad and a MIDI controller for half the price. Nice, large, responsive screen. The new iPad has more processing power than the Kronos or Nautilus. Korg even make software for them. |
Too logical. Buying a sexy keyboard like nautilus is somewhat emotional.
Powered iPad and controller is kind of boring,
Korg knows this, too. It’s a simple choice |
A very valid point! Personally...having been a Korg workstation user for 30+ years and having owned the M1,O1W/Pro X,Triton EX,M50,M1 and Krome EX...so I really appreciate what Korg has offered with the Nautilus for the price.I am simply not young enough to have been spoiled by tablets & PC DAW's...so I have nothing to complain about. |
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Mike Conway wrote: | | GregC wrote: | Kronos sounds great.
Nautilus sounds greater.
Many get into hardware, etc etc etc.
The Korg secret sauce has always been that great Korg sound programming.
IOW, the Nautilus story is mostly about software. |
I agree with the Korg programming part.
As far as how it sound, it depends on if it can load 3rd party content from Korg Shop. The orchestral combi, 20 minutes into the Luke & Andy video, sounded like an older workstation, to me.
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Upon the intial product announcement,I had also wondered about adding 3rd party sound libraries,but when I read that the Nautilus has a 60GB HD,it was obvious that expansions are possible. |
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highlandstudio91
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Hedegaard wrote: | | Sound is the same as a Kronos - no new synth engines, hence no new sounds. |
Actually....the Nautilus does have new sounds.The Nautilus preset PCM is 2.3GB...whereas the Kronos preset PCM is 314MB. |
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