Korg Forums Forum Index Korg Forums
A forum for Korg product users and musicians around the world.
Moderated Independently.
Owned by Irish Acts Recording Studio & hosted by KORG USA
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

"Amp Sim" in series effects 115,130, etc ...

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Korg Kronos
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Liviou2004
Platinum Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2017
Posts: 1142
Location: France

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:12 am    Post subject: "Amp Sim" in series effects 115,130, etc ... Reply with quote

Hello,

In the Kronos, effects from 109 to 140 are serial effects. Among them, we find "Amp Sim" (amp simulator as the name suggests!). There is one parameter with three possible settings: SS, EL84 and 6L6.

These three amps are not part of the selectable amps in effect 030: Guitar Amp Model. For this 030 effect, we know which amp each setting corresponds to (Vox, Marshall, etc..)

But for this purpose, does anyone know what are these three amplifiers SS, EL84 and 6L6?

Thank you
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
voip
Platinum Member


Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Posts: 2979

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EL84 and 6L6 are valve/tube designations, normally used in amp power output stages, with SS probably standing for solid state.

EL84 are used in amps like the Vox Ac30, Fender Blues Jr, Orange Tiny Terror, whilst 6L6 are used in Fender Twin Reverb, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier, Peavey 6505 and Fender Hot Rod series. SS is likely to be a cleaner sound.

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jimknopf
Platinum Member


Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Posts: 3368

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the Kronos valve amp models though is, that they do not remotely provide useable overdrive. This is totally outdated amp sim modeling, rather providing harsh digital noise than smooth overtone rich valve sound, even in very low settings.

Korg never bothered to fix this issue, despite user wishes right from the start, in more than a decade, to bring amp modeling on a similar level as many other fine Kronos effects. This has an overroportional negative impact on any effort to get convincing electric piano and B3 organ sounds, not speaking of synth, electric guitar and electric bass sounds.

This is one of the biggest issues I have with my Kronos, when using any of the mentioned instrument groups.
_________________
Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 11 Pro + Groove Agent 5
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Liviou2004
Platinum Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2017
Posts: 1142
Location: France

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

voip wrote:
EL84 and 6L6 are valve/tube designations, normally used in amp power output stages, with SS probably standing for solid state.

EL84 are used in amps like the Vox Ac30, Fender Blues Jr, Orange Tiny Terror, whilst 6L6 are used in Fender Twin Reverb, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier, Peavey 6505 and Fender Hot Rod series. SS is likely to be a cleaner sound.

.


Thank you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Liviou2004
Platinum Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2017
Posts: 1142
Location: France

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimknopf wrote:
....This has an overroportional negative impact on any effort to get convincing electric piano and B3 organ sounds, not speaking of synth, electric guitar and electric bass sounds.

This is one of the biggest issues I have with my Kronos, when using any of the mentioned instrument groups.


I can imagine some people could complain about distortion effects on guitar and bass sounds. To be honnest, I get better overdrived guitar sounds on my Montage.
But I'm totally satisfied with Kronos E.P, organ and above all, synths sounds.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
blazerunner
Full Member


Joined: 15 Nov 2017
Posts: 138

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Man this is why I love this forum. I was just working on a track in my Kronos last night looking at the settings going what is "SS" and all this stuff.

The Amp sim on the Kronos is kind of crazy. The cabin simulator has that wind feature or something that just makes it sound like "white noise" I keep trying to remove to get it to sound clean but never successful do.

Then I started looking at the other settings and saw what OP was talking about and started playing with those wondering what they meant.

I'm sincerely always impressed by the depth that the Kronos has when it comes down to the effects section. It's not superficial either it's a rather nice deep dive.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
KK
Platinum Member


Joined: 13 Oct 2016
Posts: 1084

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW,

About the different amp and pedal models, here's a copy/paste of something I wrote elsewhere on the forum :


KRONOS GUITAR AMPLIFIERS

AC15 = VOX AC15
AC15TB = VOX AC15 with top boost
AC30 = VOX AC30
AC30TB = VOX AC30 with top boost
UK BLUES = Marshall JTM-45
UK 70'S = Marshall JTM-100
UK 80'S = Marshall JCM-800
UK 90'S = Marshall JCM-900
UK MODERN = Marshall JCM-2000
US MODERN = Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier
US HIGAIN = Soldano SLO-100
BOUTIQUE OD = Dumble Overdrive Special, overdriven
BOUTIQUE CL = Dumble Overdrive Special, clean
BLACK 2x12 = Fender Twin Reverb
TWEED 1x12 = Fender Tweed
TWEED 4x10 = Fender Bassman


KRONOS GUITAR CABINETS

TWEED 1x12 = Fender Tweed
TWEED 4x10 = Fender Bassman
BLACK 2x10 = Fender Black Face
BLACK 2x12 = Fender Twin Reverb
AC15 = VOX AC15
AC30 = VOX AC30
AD412= VOX AD412
UK H30 = Marshall with four Celestion G12H-30
UK T75 = Marshall with four Celestion G12T-75
US V30 = Mesa Boogie with four Celestion Vintage 30


KRONOS BASS AMPLIFIERS

LA STUDIO = SWR
JAZZ = Polytone
GOLD PANEL = Eden WT-400
SCOOPED = Gallien-Krueger
VALVE2 = Ampeg SVT, ultra-lo switch off
VALVE = Ampeg SVT, ultra-lo switch on
CLASSIC = Fender Bassman
STUDIO = Ampeg B-15
AC100 = Vox AC100
UK MAJOR = Marshall Major Bass 200


KRONOS BASS CABINETS

LA 4x10 = SWR Goliath
MDN 4x10 = Eden 410XLT
MTL 4x10 = Gallien-Krueger Goldline 410GLX
CLS 8x10 = Ampeg SVT-810E
UK 4x12 = Marshall Major Bass 200
STD 1x15 = Ampeg SVT-15E
JAZ 1x15 = Polytone Mini-Brute
AC 2x15 = Vox AC100
US 2x15 = Mesa Boogie Subway
UK 4x15 = Marshall 1979L6
LA 1x18 = SWR Big Ben
COMBI = Sunn SPL-8028


KRONOS PEDALS

Small Phase – Electro-Harmonix Small Stone
Orange Phase – MXR Phase 90
Black Phase – TC Electronic TC XII B
Vintage Chorus - Boss Chorus Ensemble
Black Chorus – TC Electronic SCF
EP Chorus – Dyno-My-Piano Tri-Stereo Chorus
Vintage Flanger – MXR M-117
Red Compressor - MXR Dyna Comp
Vox Wah – Vox V847
_________________
Shhh  My Kronos 7   Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bpoodoo
Senior Member


Joined: 27 Dec 2019
Posts: 273
Location: Dallas, TX

PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Amp Sim effect [SS, EL84, 6L6] was introduced with the Trinity in 1995. You'll find it in every Korg workstation made since. Korg is very good at software reuse.
_________________
bpoodoo
Triton Extreme 88 w/MOSS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Liviou2004
Platinum Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2017
Posts: 1142
Location: France

PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you KK.

Yes, you already gave us this list earlier. I've pasted it in the Parameter Guide.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Korg Kronos All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group