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| Is The Sequencer in **NEED** of an update/Overhaul? |
| 1. Definitley YES - Vital in fact for music "flow" |
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| 2. Yes but not actually "Vital" - but still important, however |
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| 3. Yes, but in "korgs" own time - no real rush |
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| 4. No, EXi's/EXF etc are more important to me |
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| 5.I use external Sequencer, so definitly no |
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JamieC5361
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I must be a rare person here, but I find the internal sequencer on the Oasys to be just fine. I did come from a Cubase background and missed the piano roll. However, I have taken the time to learn the Oasys sequencer. There are many ins and outs of it and tricks I have learned for editing, but it really works! Sometimes amazingly well.
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Charlie
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Sure - its possible and I did a similar thing - you can get to the next town in a car without air condition, ABS, ESP, safety belt etc. - still, once these things became standard and you buy a top of the range car one would expect at least some of these features in his new Ferrari.  |
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Daz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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The Oasys sequencer is great in many ways ... it's fabulous when you're just playing and want to instantly record what you're doing. It's very quick for laying down a number of parts and seeing how they work together and capturing Karma performances. It's quick to work with because of the touch screen and I really like the individual MIDI track looping feature too. It's when you make a small mistake in an other wise perfect take and re-recording it is not the best option, that the editor really lets the side down totally. Or when you want to rearrange things, that I find myself getting very stuck and resorting to pen and paper or just exporting the piece to external sequencer and then going from there.
It doesn't need a total rewrite, it just needs a couple of added features and consolidation of what's there in my opinion. It would be a good start. I think Sharp's comments totally mirror that. He uses it a great deal and should know
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Drew FM
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Posts: 515
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| Sharp wrote: | | eperez wrote: | | I just find out about this some minutes ago from a friend that works for one instrument store here in Mexico and decide to write it instant. Offical explaining is something like no more chips or like that. I am afraid about the so-called "future OASYS development" after this, cause this would be one of the shortest life span product from KORG. I'm so sad now, it's weekend time and I should be relax and enjoy time with mia familia... |
Mexico ?
I'm even closer to Mexico than you, and I'm living in Ireland.
Remember, I can see your IP. 
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imusic
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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Location: Switzerland
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: OASYS sequencer |
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I like the sequencer, ...
I do not need pianorolls and so on. If-I go on a computer,... sometimes it would make sense to learn how to play  !
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danatkorg
Product Manager, Korg R&D
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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Location: California, USA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| eperez wrote: | | Uh, amigo, while you are spendin your time lookin forward to some updates, KORG is doing something completely opposite - discontinuing OASYS rougly at the end of the year. I own also OASYS and I just find out about this some minutes ago from a friend that works for one instrument store here in Mexico and decide to write it instant. Offical explaining is something like no more chips or like that. I am afraid about the so-called "future OASYS development" after this, cause this would be one of the shortest life span product from KORG. |
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danatkorg
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| Sharp wrote: | | eperez wrote: | | I just find out about this some minutes ago from a friend that works for one instrument store here in Mexico and decide to write it instant. Offical explaining is something like no more chips or like that. I am afraid about the so-called "future OASYS development" after this, cause this would be one of the shortest life span product from KORG. I'm so sad now, it's weekend time and I should be relax and enjoy time with mia familia... |
Mexico ?
I'm even closer to Mexico than you, and I'm living in Ireland.
Remember, I can see your IP.
Sharp. |
Ah - I posted before reading Sharp's response....
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Carbon111
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Joined: 13 Feb 2007
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Location: pacific northwest
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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While I use a software sequencer for recording, I'd certainly use the onboard one instead, especially for sketches, if it was a bit more ergonomic! That screen begs for something thats a "better fit"
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Daz
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Whilst the results thus far don't represent all 4000 users, they still say something interesting.
Anyways ... how many of you bought the Oasys thinking that the sequencer might actually be changed ? Obviously we all knew about EXi, EXs and EXf ... but there was never any mention of EXseq  Do you still think that it will change ?
I must confess that I bought the Oasys despite my concerns about the inability to edit Programs whilst working, thinking that I could work around this obstacle and that maybe it would be addressed in a software update. I didn't *assume* it would be changed I have to say, but I did hope that one day pressing "Function + Program" would let you unleash the instrument to it's full potential.
My current thinking/speculation, especially after seeing the M3, is that the move away from the Trinity/Triton working environment is evidently not going to happen 'til the next round of Korg products. That could be a a few years ! This round was all about re-vamping synth engines and the integration of KARMA into the mainstream instruments.
Maybe the time has come to redirect our efforts & time from constantly repeating our concerns (I am the worst at that I know!) about the working environment of the Oasys, to trying to help each other better understand how to get past some of the obstacles and get the most out of what is there. It would be great to see some ten page long threads about that
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Sharp
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Well said Daz.
Yep, I'm down with this idea 100%, and I'll make an effort to come up with something worth posting.
Regards.
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eperez
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| Sharp wrote: | | eperez wrote: | | I just find out about this some minutes ago from a friend that works for one instrument store here in Mexico and decide to write it instant. Offical explaining is something like no more chips or like that. I am afraid about the so-called "future OASYS development" after this, cause this would be one of the shortest life span product from KORG. I'm so sad now, it's weekend time and I should be relax and enjoy time with mia familia... |
Mexico ?
I'm even closer to Mexico than you, and I'm living in Ireland.
Remember, I can see your IP.
Sharp. |
Hello mr.Sharp,
I always use different computer and network address to access different web stuff. So, you can check clearly see that my IP is all different now. But that is outside the point. What, are you going to give my details to Korg people, is that why you have forum? Especially because I'm typing what is the truth. OASYS is going to be discontinnued end of year come close. Sorry to disappoint you. KORG people are just not ready to admit it now. They will. |
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Kontrol49
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Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Daz wrote: | Whilst the results thus far don't represent all 4000 users, they still say something interesting.
Anyways ... how many of you bought the Oasys thinking that the sequencer might actually be changed ? Obviously we all knew about EXi, EXs and EXf ... but there was never any mention of EXseq Do you still think that it will change ?
I must confess that I bought the Oasys despite my concerns about the inability to edit Programs whilst working, thinking that I could work around this obstacle and that maybe it would be addressed in a software update. I didn't *assume* it would be changed I have to say, but I did hope that one day pressing "Function + Program" would let you unleash the instrument to it's full potential.
My current thinking/speculation, especially after seeing the M3, is that the move away from the Trinity/Triton working environment is evidently not going to happen 'til the next round of Korg products. That could be a a few years ! This round was all about re-vamping synth engines and the integration of KARMA into the mainstream instruments.
Maybe the time has come to redirect our efforts & time from constantly repeating our concerns (I am the worst at that I know!) about the working environment of the Oasys, to trying to help each other better understand how to get past some of the obstacles and get the most out of what is there. It would be great to see some ten page long threads about that
Daz. |
I suspect that many of us(Including me)have come from the Trinity>Triton progression,so in essence the Sequencer was not that really important anyway seeing as it works in the same way I guess that nobody thought about the limitations of it,when they bought it seeing as they would take to it anyway and be used to the environment,I never really thought about Korg progressing on the Sequencer and bought the Oasys more for its sound capabilities and expansion abilities,I'll admit that a few months down the line and no whispers form the Korg camp am feeling a little deflated with having to pay so much for the O only to still be no more advanced with my sequencing abilities and still have to rely on outsource sequencers,however in that limitation I have also found a great platfrom to work with(Roland MV8800)and for all the Oasys shortcomings I have worried whether Korg will work or upgrade the sequencer,if they do then fair enough,I want to see the next step towards the sounds availible for the Oasys.
To me its too far gone to be able to make any real significant difference to the Oasys seq,and this would need to be stripped and rebuilt from the ground up to make any real decent impact,sadly I don't think the engineers come from the train of thought for people like me and there working methods,so no matter what they do,it still won't fit the bill,and thats fine,I've come to realise that theres more important aspects to the Oasys,but that said Open architecture doesn't just mean the Sounds are expandable,Surely though Korg had they any intentions of releasing a super charged sequencer would have done it from the onset of the Oasys and set the Music world and the Workstation standard on fire,after all its basically a Rolls Royce car with a Mini cooper Gearbox,until those radical changes are made,it will still remain the most expensive Sound Module I have ever bought! |
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Kontrol49
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| eperez wrote: | | Sharp wrote: | | eperez wrote: | | I just find out about this some minutes ago from a friend that works for one instrument store here in Mexico and decide to write it instant. Offical explaining is something like no more chips or like that. I am afraid about the so-called "future OASYS development" after this, cause this would be one of the shortest life span product from KORG. I'm so sad now, it's weekend time and I should be relax and enjoy time with mia familia... |
Mexico ?
I'm even closer to Mexico than you, and I'm living in Ireland.
Remember, I can see your IP.
Sharp. |
Hello mr.Sharp,
I always use different computer and network address to access different web stuff. So, you can check clearly see that my IP is all different now. But that is outside the point. What, are you going to give my details to Korg people, is that why you have forum? Especially because I'm typing what is the truth. OASYS is going to be discontinnued end of year come close. Sorry to disappoint you. KORG people are just not ready to admit it now. They will. |
If Korg want to stop Production of the Oasys for lack of components,why would that affetct the software developments???the Hardware is obsolete the day it leaves the factory unless it has ports developed for such expansion options,but even so they are still limited,but the software isn't!!! |
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Daz
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: POLL: **THE OASYS SEQUENCER** and "Updates" |
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| Kontrol49 wrote: | | duction of the Oasys for lack of components,why would that affetct the software developments??? |
I am totally with K49 on that ... I am sure they would want to continue to sell us software in order to make money from the existing customer base We're effectively paying for the R&D of the next generation of Korg instruments ... in part at least. If they stopped making them at the end of the year, that still amounts to a big stack of them in a warehouse somewhere ready to be bought by customers. So even if it's true, it's not overly worrying. Maybe they'll make a second revision using different components, who knows. It's a little early to start worrying about this in my opinion.
Hopefully the download that Dan mentioned will be available in the not too distant future and we'll get a reminder of just how much attention has been put into the big O. Oh yes
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Davidb
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lads.
A little off topic to what it is being dicussed now in this thread, but, ...
Just take a look to the composition Vadim has done in the M3 section:
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25648&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
This is what we all would like to see added alonside the event edit features on the Oasys.
Nice efort, dude
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At least something like this would be much apreciated, since OASYS is a touch screen, and if OASYS had a sequencer as software does, it would definatly beat all software, imagine how easy it would be to use key edit and alike with a touch screen and buttons, opposed to a mouse...
come on, KORG....
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