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BasariStudios
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Jazzman you are right, at my days all i knew was CASIO CZ-101.
And TV does that, first of all he doesnt know that 80% of the guys
on TV SHOWS dont even play those synths, the synths are OFF,
second, they are free, given to them from the companies just for
advertisement, so guys like YOU can be decieved...why? Cuz JORDAN
RUDDES or someone else plays KURZ or KORG or whatever and it must
be good, no, WRONG! And after the CASIO CZ-101 now i have synths
that TYRONE has probably never heard of:
ARP 2600 (to me probably more worth then 3 KORG OASYS)
Futuretro 777 (wont give it for a KORG M3)
Oberheim MATRIX1000
and hey i have a KORG that you havent heard of too, i have a KORG MS20
and i wont give that for a KORG RADIAS either... 
As for you TYRONE i own 14 synths right now, at this moment 7 of them
are KORG, still think i hate KORG?
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synthdogg
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| Nedim wrote: | That would be very SAD if we cathegorize synths like that, on their
availability...anyways KURZ was always THE king. |
Well......if you have a show tomorrow night, it may become a VERY important criteria.
I can buy advertising space and promote a synthesizer that blows everything else out of the water. It doesn't do much good if no one can actually buy it. 
Seriously though, I've owned lots of Kurzweil gear. they make some great stuff. They also have a reputation for taking MUCH longer than they initially advertise to get their gear on the market. The good news is that usually, once the gear actually hits the streets Kurzweil's stuff is even better than advertised....it just takes a long time to get there.
Personally....I don't buy the whole "Kurzweil sounds great, Korg sounds shite" arguments. They're different flavors, different types of synthesis, different approaches. It's like arguing over whether Gibson or Fender sound better. There's just no answer.
As far as Jordan Rudess....I don't know what you're talking about. The guy has worked for Korg. He tours with an Oasys. He doesn't seem to have an aversion to Korg, even with his love for Kurzweil. |
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BasariStudios
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, you are right about JR but have you ever seen him use anything
else except KURZ on his tours and concerts??? I dont think so.
I dont say this as being decieved by the media that KURZ is great,
i know that for a FACT cuz i use KURZ long time, it is great.
If nothing else i can FREELY say 2 things:
1: It has the highest quality FX of all the synths
2: It has the best FILTERS EVER in a synth.
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synthdogg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Nedim wrote: | Yes, you are right about JR but have you ever seen him use anything
else except KURZ on his tours and concerts??? I dont think so.
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Well actually.....yeah.
To my knowledge, the OASYS has been the centerpiece of his live rig for a while now. I don't think he's been using any Kurzweil gear on stage lately. |
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Daz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Check out the JR videos here : http://www.korg.com/oasys/
and also over at the keyboard magazine TV -> http://www.keyboardmag.tv/
He's endorsing and using the Oasys, the V-Synth GT and the Moog Little Phatty ... all really great instruments.
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BasariStudios
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Yes Daz, i've seen them and its ONLY demonstrating KORG gear which i
would do too if i get paid or if i was famous.
And yes SynthDogg, i've seen few of those too, but nowhere near KURZ.
Probably 20:1 ratio.
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synthdogg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Nedim wrote: |
I dont say this as being decieved by the media that KURZ is great,
i know that for a FACT cuz i use KURZ long time, it is great. |
Well....the real fact is that "Kurzweil is great" is an opinion. It's an opinion I happen to share, but it's an opinion nonetheless.
| Nedim wrote: |
If nothing else i can FREELY say 2 things:
1: It has the highest quality FX of all the synths
2: It has the best FILTERS EVER in a synth. |
...and those are opinions also. I reallly loved my K2500RS, but I can't agree that the filters are the best ever. They were good, but not even close to the best ever. That's also an opinion. See how that works?
I absolutely LOVE the KDFX, but it has it's problems also. I say all this having great love for Kurzweil. I just don't understand why loving Kurzweil has to equate into Korg being somehow "not as good". The whole time I had my K2000's and K2500's, I also had plenty of other synths including Trinity's and Triton's...and I seemed to use them all.
Don't limit yourself into thinking that one good keyboard makes other keyboards obsolete. |
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synthdogg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Nedim wrote: |
And yes SynthDogg, i've seen few of those too, but nowhere near KURZ.
Probably 20:1 ratio. |
I'm not sure what your referring to in this post when you say you've seen "those". I assure you that JR is not just "demonstrating" Korg gear. Korg's been his main live axe for all Dream Theater shows for years. |
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drama1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have the PC2X and M373 side/by/side. I am really digging the M3, but I have my doubts about using it live. The buttons are not very good quality, It has slow program changes, sounds cut off when changing programs unless you still have your hands physically on the keys, you can't use the sustain pedal to hold program changes without sound cutting off and no way can you do this in combi mode. M3 pianos are far better than my Triton, but still nowhere near my old Kurz IMHO. I believe the M3 will eventually become more attractive once more programs are available. The potential of the M3, I believe, is huge. But, and I have to be careful here, if the PC3 has the more friendly UI as it supposedly has, full editing as it supposedly has, the KDFX is twice the power of the 2600 and is simply the best sounding EFX out there IMHO, the new KB3 mode and don't even get me started on how lush the string sounds are on Kurz, this is going to be one KILLER board for live performance for under three grand. Kurz program changes are seamless, pianos sound more natural, not that cold digital sound IMHO, and they are built like tanks. We should know more by 2008 NAMM, but as someone else has posted, you may not hear this board for another year. Only time will tell.  |
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tyronediggs
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What the deal with Kurzweil anyway? Everyone is saying they have amazing sounds - but to me they look like pretty out of date compared with other companies - the Motif XS/M3 have a much larger rom than the Kurzweils, there is no touch screen or bundled software (Cubase/Sonar/Logic), and last but not least: their website looks like it was designed by a kid.  |
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BasariStudios
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Nice point you got there TYRONE, i dont even wanna get started.
I thought we were discussing something with someone serious
and the knows something...but you... 
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Lorenzo
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| Quote: | | and last but not least: their website looks like it was designed by a kid. |
I should remember these words: the next time I'll chose a keyboard to buy I'll look at the design of its website...
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BasariStudios
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I dont know how the hell we FELL for this KIDs story, i feel embarased now
and also out of tune, i thought it was someone serious to discuss and talk.
Damn!!!
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tyronediggs
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| Nedim wrote: | Jazzman you are right, at my days all i knew was CASIO CZ-101.
And TV does that, first of all he doesnt know that 80% of the guys
on TV SHOWS dont even play those synths, the synths are OFF,
second, they are free, given to them from the companies just for
advertisement, so guys like YOU can be decieved...why? Cuz JORDAN
RUDDES or someone else plays KURZ or KORG or whatever and it must
be good, no, WRONG! And after the CASIO CZ-101 now i have synths
that TYRONE has probably never heard of:
ARP 2600 (to me probably more worth then 3 KORG OASYS)
Futuretro 777 (wont give it for a KORG M3)
Oberheim MATRIX1000
and hey i have a KORG that you havent heard of too, i have a KORG MS20
and i wont give that for a KORG RADIAS either...
As for you TYRONE i own 14 synths right now, at this moment 7 of them
are KORG, still think i hate KORG? |
To be honest I'm not really a hardware keyboard type of guy, we got a M3 and a Fantom in the studio (and some MPCs) and thats about it, so I guess you have more keyboards than me.....
Now you say you got 14 sythns and that I don't know s***, blah blah blah.
You sound like one of those grumpy old guys who is kind of stuck in the past. I hate to say this, but most guys in the game now don't really rely on keyboards for all their sounds, we mainly use keyboards for sketching ideas and as a midi controller.
Almost all the hip-hop/pop/electronic/R&B cats I know use softsynths with Logic/Pro Tools.
The 14+ keyboards you mentioned you own. I could probably reproduce all those sounds using the softsynths included with Reason and Logic Pro.
Do your keyboards have the capabilities or sound shaping possibilities of Logic Pro's Sculpture or Native Instruments Reaktor? I don't think so.......
edit: In fact Korg and Arturia actually sell software vst versions of ARP 2600 and the MS20 for like 150 bucks a piece. Now how much did you pay for those?  I would guess considerably more. |
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BasariStudios
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Waaaooouuuwww...you are very smart KID, once you mentioned HIPHOP
you said it all, but hey you made my day, thanks...
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