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RC-IA
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| Daz wrote: | | StephenKay wrote: | My lips are sealed...  |
Quit teasing us, and get back into that lab and make our new toys 
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 i'm sure stephen is the more impatient of us!! |
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| devix wrote: | Thanks!!! Peter.
But...... VPM=FM or there is something dissimilar????
Can I load Dx series sound on a VPM synth??? |
Hi Devix,
to my "knowledge": no
I wanted to remind that Korg had FM in one of their synths already, but probably - speculation! - were not allowed to use the same name.
It seems that we will get something exciting new for OASYS and that this has to do with KARMA. I would be more then happy to get a tool to handle KARMA much better... maybe together with some other things, several other and real KARMA users were asking for.
As usual , I agree with curvebender, that this change makes a new OS necessary. This is maybe a good chance for KORG to add some more goodies. This could be Mono/Poly which is to my knowledge part of LAC already and would fit perfectly to MS-20 and Polysix. But again, this is 100% speculation... not even a rumour! If we get something like FM I would be more then happy.
Anyway... this was a lot of speculation, but one thing is for sure - late September 17th we will know more!
peter
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| curvebender wrote: | | Daz wrote: | | Of course it could be a new set of Karmafied combis That's been hinted at too ... |
That makes sense: new combis that take advantage of the all new VPM EXi!!  |
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curvebender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| peter m. mahr wrote: | | As usual , I agree with curvebender |
Thanks!
We should meet sometime, maybe halfway between Austria and Sweden, and dance the FM-dance together.
I could bring a DX7 cartridge, and you could sing "ooh la la, them DX7 basses sure are punchy!".
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ski
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| peter m. mahr wrote: | I wanted to remind that Korg had FM in one of their synths already, but probably - speculation! - were not allowed to use the same name.
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Indeed the DS-8 (and the 707) were FM synths. I did a lot of programming for those, though I don't remember if the oscillators were referred to as "operators" or "VPM Oscillators". Man, that was a long time ago! 
The Prophecy had a VPM algorithm as well.
AL-1 has FM, but it's not strictly the same as DX7-style FM. And manufacturers like SC (Prophet 5) and Oberheim (Matrix 12 and Xpander) also had FM, but like AL-1, these don't strictly involve the modulation of the waveshape of one sine wave with another. |
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ski wrote: | | Indeed the DS-8 (and the 707) were FM synths. I did a lot of programming for those, though I don't remember if the oscillators were referred to as "operators" or "VPM Oscillators". Man, that was a long time ago! |
... unfortunately - right!
| ski wrote: | | The Prophecy had a VPM algorithm as well. |
Yes, I remember it had some really nice sounds, did you program some of them as well? I still miss the brass model, together with a breath controller this must be unbeatable expressive. Especially when it comes to complitely unrealistic brass sounds.
| ski wrote: | | AL-1 has FM, but it's not strictly the same as DX7-style FM. And manufacturers like SC (Prophet 5) and Oberheim (Matrix 12 and Xpander) also had FM. |
Right - for example the melody sound in "The Rhythm divine" used by Yello's Boris Blank was a Matrix-12 factory sound using FM.
peter
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| curvebender wrote: | | We should meet sometime, maybe halfway between Austria and Sweden, and dance the FM-dance together. |
... but this means we should meet in the country of the enemy?
Seriously, FM is g r e a t, sooo dynamic and expressive. Do you know Ulla Meinecke's "Die Taenzerin"? It is a very old song, but the E-Piano sound is one of the best I have ever heard together with the way it is played, of course.
| curvebender wrote: | | I could bring a DX7 cartridge, and you could sing "ooh la la, them DX7 basses sure are punchy!". |
... but I am quite sure, that you don't want me to sing
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ski
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Peter,
Ah, the brass model in the Prophecy... I didn't program any of the brass sounds. For some reason I concentrated on the other models when I was making patches for the factory bank. But there was something very cool about the stock Trumpet patch, in that the modwheel (or was it pitch wheel?) could gliss through the harmonic series like a real brass instrument. You've now inspired me to break out my Prophecy and check it out again. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Prophecy is one of the best korg instrument and the sound set was so good!!! |
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Charlie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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@Peter: I remember "Die Tänzerin" very well and couldn't agree more: best FM-E-Piano performance I've ever heard! I think it was recorded on a Yamahy CS88 (if this was an FM-Synth at all - I only remember it was NOT the DX7  ). |
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peter m. mahr
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| Charlie wrote: | | @Peter: I remember "Die Tänzerin" very well and couldn't agree more: best FM-E-Piano performance I've ever heard! I think it was recorded on a Yamahy CS88 (if this was an FM-Synth at all - I only remember it was NOT the DX7 ). |
No, it was a GS-1!
Initially Edo Zanki composed it on a GS-2 but then used Reinhold Heil's GS-1 to record it.
peter
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ski wrote: | Peter,
Ah, the brass model in the Prophecy... I didn't program any of the brass sounds. For some reason I concentrated on the other models when I was making patches for the factory bank. But there was something very cool about the stock Trumpet patch, in that the modwheel (or was it pitch wheel?) could gliss through the harmonic series like a real brass instrument. You've now inspired me to break out my Prophecy and check it out again. |
Mmm.. I meant the other sounds, but was obviously confusing and confused.
Anyway, you are mentioning a very good example as I will never forget the day when I was standing in Vienna at Korg's distributor showing room. It was the time people were discussing about 64MB... mhmm maybe 128MB of RAM. The guy was playing the trumpet sound, looked at me and moved this huge wheel of the Prophecy, laughed and said "0 RAM!"... exactly at that moment when the trumpet's sound changed dramatically. I guess I looked in that moment like Homer Simpson when he is watching out for a bear....
Another impressive sound was the Slapstick Bass. Until then the DX-7 version was very well "established" and people started using multisamples for Bass sounds... I remember myself programming a very strange brass sound that I miss. But the strongest and best sounds were the synthetic ones. But to be honest there was I time I did not like the Prophecy. But now when I hear some of my old demos I have to admit, that it was a very unique and very good sounding synth.
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Charlie
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| peter m. mahr wrote: | | Charlie wrote: | | @Peter: I remember "Die Tänzerin" very well and couldn't agree more: best FM-E-Piano performance I've ever heard! I think it was recorded on a Yamahy CS88 (if this was an FM-Synth at all - I only remember it was NOT the DX7 ). |
No, it was a GS-1!
Initially Edo Zanki composed it on a GS-2 but then used Reinhold Heil's GS-1 to record it.
peter
ps: will respond later as I am busy at the moment |
Yeah - you're right. That was the one I meant. At least 1 "S" was common in the name I remembered ...
But the GS1 (GS2) were both "special" FM-Synths, weren't they? 
EDIT: yep - they were - see http://www.bernhard-doering.de/Synthi-Museum/Museums-Guide/Yamaha/GS-1_GS-2/gs-1_gs-2.html |
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peter m. mahr
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Charlie wrote: | | peter m. mahr wrote: | | Charlie wrote: | | @Peter: I remember "Die Tänzerin" very well and couldn't agree more: best FM-E-Piano performance I've ever heard! I think it was recorded on a Yamahy CS88 (if this was an FM-Synth at all - I only remember it was NOT the DX7 ). |
No, it was a GS-1!
Initially Edo Zanki composed it on a GS-2 but then used Reinhold Heil's GS-1 to record it.
peter
ps: will respond later as I am busy at the moment |
Yeah - you're right. That was the one I meant. At least 1 "S" was common in the name I remembered ...
But the GS1 (GS2) were both "special" FM-Synths, weren't they?
EDIT: yep - they were - see http://www.bernhard-doering.de/Synthi-Museum/Museums-Guide/Yamaha/GS-1_GS-2/gs-1_gs-2.html |
They had less operators but cross modulation a great keyboard and the very good internal effects (during that time... very good, of course! ). Chick Corea played one, Toto's Porcaro played one, Billy Currie from Ultravox etc. etc. To my knowledge it used magnetic cards. Meaning when you lost them or could not read them, then you had a ATS 200.000.- instrument not playing a single tone !
peter
EDIT: nice link, Charlie. If I remember correctly then it was not 100% preset. Billy Currie - to my knowledge - drove to Yamaha Europe, which is located near Hamburg and programmed some sounds for his GS-1. Unfortunately it took me years to realise that those full sounds I loved during that time did not come from his Oberheims or his Jupiter... it was the GS-1 tohether with Yamaha's "Ensemble" effect.
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XVampireX
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| What is this VPM thing everyone keeps talking about I don't understand it :O |
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