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[Anashwaran]

Dear Oasyians,
1. When I record a combi in the sequencer where there are, let's say 4-5 different instruments on Midi 1, there seems no way to avoid changes in velocity or any other change on 1 of these without effecting all the others at playback. WHile recording it seems that only, let's say track 3 gets louder or softer, but at playback all the tracks will move along. (Of course, because they are all hooked on midi1!)
( I found that in the Midi Filter 1/2/3 I can undo certain parameters like Control messages, but then some wanted will also be gone).
So now what to do? Trying to change the midi on tracks doesn't help because every note has the midi-track 1 included.
2. The same problems presents itself when taking the midi-file to an external sequencer, i.e. Cubase or Sonar. I don't find any way to change this. Also to adress 1 channel seperately with different midi-channels. It just doesn't work.
Why would this be helpful.
When you want to edit your midi-file and want to listen to it correctly.
Editing files in the inbuil sequencer is a drag, everybody( i believe ) knows that. You cannot write new phrases or notes like in sequencers.
It really gives me a headache.
Ideally would be that you could adress a certain instrument in the Oasys-sequencer from outside on any midi-channel you want.
3. WHo knows a better way to record a sequencer song into a sequencer, but not just a stereo-wave-file like you get when you bounce your tracks to audio.
I tried to do the following, which works, but takes a lot of time.
I bounce track by track by muting all undesired tracks, but not channel 1. Because otherwise all other channels on Midi 1 will not work. I can only put the velocity of channel 1 to 0, that works.
After that I can import channel by channel to the sequencer and can go on editing them here. This works but is very, very time consuming ( if you have 10 tracks at 10 minutes, you will have 1 hour and 40 min. minimum for recording the tracks as audio waves.
But that seems to me the only way to record separate channels and tracks.
So these are at the moment headaches for me and I will be very thankful to anybody who can provide some creative input into these matters.
Thanks
Anashwaran
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[Anashwaran]

It seems that nobody has answers to these problems or is interested. This might also be due to the euphoria of the MOD-7 engine and the new update. What the hell is this guy talking about such old Midi-stuff, no?
But these problems keep coming back and back for shure.
So i have to show patience
Anashwaran
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[Kevin Nolan]

Hi Anashwaran,

I'm not 100% clear on you problem. However, the only way to achieve different velocity dynamics on separate voices is to separate them out to different midi tracks and edit them. Here, you will have to cut and paste the original midi channel midi track to the other midi track and then change their midi channel.

In this instance you have numerous midi tracks which occupy minuscule amounts of memory, and can then proceed to edit them via the midi editor. When happy, you can then make a stereo mix.

Alternatively, if you have another midi keyboard plugged into the OASYS midi in port and enable midi multi track recording, you can play two separate lines on with your two hands which will of course preserve your playing dunamics.

You could always score your composition and decide on the dynamics, and then record it track for track the way you want it!!

Not sure if this helps, but its the best I can make out from your description of the issue at hand.

Kevin
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[danatkorg]

[ski]

I just thought of your post as I'm working on a track... I'm using Combi A011 Silver Slumbers and I wanted the sound of its lower octave (Timbre 1) and the windchimes (Timbre 3) to fade out independently of the other Timbres. What I did to accomplish this may or may not help you out, but it's a potential idea...

I'm sequencing in Logic, and here's a screenshot:



The two regions at bottom contain sysex information generated in real time by moving the value slider while the Timbre was selected (which in turn changes the level of that Timbre's volume). It's sysex, yes, but it's nothing more than volume information in a sysex form.

The first purple region shows my slider movements (volume reduction) to Timbre 1 when it was selected, and the second region shows slider movements (again, volume reduction) to Timbre 3 when Timbre 3 was selected. You don't see a sloping line indicating a change in level, but those X's represent the data that was recorded.

You'll see that at the beginning of each of those two regions that there's a single "X", and that represents (sysex) which sets the "starting" level of each of those two timbres. I generated it like this:

Starting with Timbre 1, before recording I selected its fader on the touch screen and decremented the value of the Timbre level by 1 using the button next to the value slider. Then I went into record and incremented the value by 1 using the increment button. This sent the (now) original starting level (in sysex) to Logic.

Then I simply moved the value slider for the Timbre; moving the slider generates the sysex value for the slider position.

I repeated these moves for Timbre 3.

BTW, it was necessary to move the value slider and not the physical slider to achieve this (probably has something to do with my sysex settings in Logic).

But anyway, while this differs from what you want to achieve regarding independent velocity control, it's an approach that might let you at least manipulate the balances between the various Timbres within a Combi.

HTH,

-=sKi=-

[Anashwaran]

Dear friends, thanks for your inputs. I appreciate.
But it was Stephen in the other forum who gave the correct answer, (so far).
He pointed out that it is always the 1. track in a bunch that contains the datas, and not the others. So you will have to copy these datas and edit them, otherwise nothing will help. This seems to be the temporary solution, i will have to check that.
Dear Dan, I'm not offended by your counsels, but I think it is not the point. I did 3 CD's working all with Midi-files etc...
It is the Korg-Midi system that gives me headaches and makes things really complicated. With Yamaha you don't have to do all this work around, because there is no Global channel and your datas get recorded on different channels right from the beginning! You see?
I work all the time with Midi and 2 keyboards and 2 PC's and software, that is not my problem, at least I hope. Dealing with the Informations in Korg's Midi-system is not easy, because all the datas flow through channel 1 ( or whatever your global channel is) and with the exception of the Karma channels, get recorded all in 1 !!!! That is the problem. ANd then there is need to seperate them again. In other midi-systems, this normally never happens.
But now that I know that the datas are only recorded in the first channel, I might be able to sort that out.
I will come back to the points when I have some more experience.
Anashwaran
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[danatkorg]

[Anashwaran]

[danatkorg]

Dear Anashwaran,

[StephenKay]

[Anashwaran]

[Anashwaran]

I want to add that I appreciate a lot the new play-button in the sequencer!
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