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spinoria · Junior Member Joined: 07 Feb 2007 Posts: 85

I sold my Triton Extreme for 4 weeks ago. Today I almost decided to buy it back.

The reason is that M3 has to few sounds and combis. Shure there will be USB-expansions but there are some disadvantages I don't think I can't live with.

My guess is that each expansion will take at least 64 mb data and with 4 expansions you will have to load 256 mb sample data each time you power up. It would have been far better to load the USB-expansions on some kind of harddrive, flashdrive or something similar so that expansions could be accessed directly after power up (much like on the PCM-expansions for the triton series).

Really stupid. Now I'll buy my Triton Extreme back and wait for the M3+ or the M4 keyboard instead.

Is this the right thing to do?
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jerrythek · Platinum Member Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 2931

Hello:

I think you're confusing two issues, new PCM and new Programs/Combis.

The Extreme has 160 MB of PCM - the M3 already has 256. So you need not only rely on new PCM to make sounds.

When we and others make new PCG's available they can greatly expand the palette of sounds without requiring new samples. The Extreme proves that concept.

Regards,

Jerry

spinoria · Junior Member Joined: 07 Feb 2007 Posts: 85

I guess there is something I have not understod here.

In all the Triton series except the triton extreme there has been ways of expanding the ROM-memory with PCM-expansions.

I guess theese PCM-expansions was necessary to expand the sound palette with sound elements that was missing to get some kind of sounds.

In the new M3, do you mean that you have PCM-waveforms that isn't used yet?
Or do you mean you can tweak the waveforms so much so you can get as much programs and combis (with a big variety) that is in the Triton Extreme?

If you take the string and orchestral sound for example, I think the M3 really needs more variations of theese sounds.
Will the new programs in the USB-expansions manipulate existing PCM-string samples or is there some PCM-samples that has not been used yet in existing programs?

I thought that the bigger PCM-Waveform library was bigger because of higher sampling rate and higher resolution in the samples. Otherwise there should have been at least as many programs and combis like the Triton Extreme.

Thank you very much for taking time. It would be great if you could explain to me what I can expect of the M3 in the future.

It's a lot of money and I want it to be a good investment that will suite my needs for many years to come.
To me the Karma functionality isn't important.
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Synthoid · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: I'm not sure I understand...

jerrythek · Platinum Member Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 2931

bctines · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:02 am Post subject:

All good reasons to stick with the M3...the Triton of the future.

Need another reason? See Kid Nepro's post [url] Proto Rock M3 Sound Update - Feedback Please[/url]

spinoria · Junior Member Joined: 07 Feb 2007 Posts: 85

shrike · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject:

You'll forgive me, but I will try to convince you to get your Extreme back.
Reasons:

1. Extreme is flagship of Triton line - overloaded with preset multisamples, programs and combis, with OS completely improved and lightning fast, no program and combi change lag issues etc., very sturdy built for live gigs, supports MOSS, excellent key action, 96 MB is enough sample capacity for many many sound generation samples (though, not enough for wave samples as hip hop loops and stuff like that, but that's where PC come in big picture rather than a keyboard), no stability issues whatsoever.

2. M3 is new keyboard with great potential that is going to be achieved in few years. Situation now - not so many preset multisamples, programs and combis, bad velocity curves, time lag when program and combi changing, DIFFERENT key action (I use word "different" because some claim it's better than Tritons, some it's worse, to me it's worse, but I guess that's personal, so "different" is the right word), OS not stable yet, issues with overall build quality (printed buttons, bad materials, kind of soft feeling, not like tank-kind-of-build in Extreme' case), no MOSS support just now and no supplement for MOSS yet announced.
Of course, there are good things: bigger sample capacity, 16 timbres in combi, new sound engine...
Intentionally didn't mention Karma because it has no value to me and M3 is strongly directed to Karma users just now.

I thought of selling my Extreme and buying M3 too, but luckily for me, I had a chance to spend 10 or so days with M3.
It surprises me that Korg didn't take in consideration that M3 is successor to such a good workstation like Extreme - they should have only improve Extreme with bigger sample capacity, more timbre and new sound engine, name it M3 and that's it.

There is a lot of fuss about expansion boards, loading in ROM or RAM, and if final solution will be loading to RAM, that would be completely wrong. Loading time will be to long. So where we stand now, we don't know how will it work, is there going to be new MOSS...

Now, I don't think I'll ever sell Extreme and buy M3. Only option to me is to buy M3-M when it reaches it's final stage of production and use it alongside Extreme.

Get your Extreme back and worry about M3 in two years.

Kind regards, shrike

kid_nepro_2002 · Approved Merchant Joined: 27 Mar 2002 Posts: 557

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Erasedcitizen · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Scotland

I have both a triton extreme and korg m3 and if I had to chose I would chose between them I would pick the triton extreme. It's much better to use live, simply because it has the 'Hold' function which is no where to be seen on the m3. And the m3 doesn't have enough preset to be the only keyboard for someone to own. If you have more than one keyboard or are good at programming then that doesnt matter too much, but if you are only going to have one keyboard I would buy the triton extreme.

Synthoid · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:

spinoria · Junior Member Joined: 07 Feb 2007 Posts: 85

I mostly play live so if it's true with slow program/combi-changes I think I have no other option but to try to get a new Triton Extreme and wait for the M4.
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shrike · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject:

Synthoid · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:34 am Post subject:

The M3 does have a Radias expansion board option.

Few keyboard manufacturers release new products that are backwards compatible. It's not what you like to see happen, but you have to get used to it I guess.

Sounds Good

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Maximus · Joined: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 25

Hello everybody, i been lurkinkg at this forum for a while but havent posted that much, but i identify with everybody that is looking to upgrade their Triton Extreme to an M3.

in my case i think ill wait, the main reasons are the quantity of presets on the extreme plus the variety of PCM waves.

i've already asked twice on this forum about the USB-PCM expansions for the M3 and gotten NO STRAIGHT ANSWER , yes i know there are gonna be made sometime in the future, but how do they work? Do they load on RAM like samples? Or do They Stream from the usb drives?

waiting for an answer................. Rolling Eyes

You do know the answer.........right jerry Confused

We understand perfectly that the extreme is the culmination of the triton series, (2 procesors + lots of PCM expansions and programs developed + Valfe force, etc.) and a great culmination it is, and so for a new flagship we expected all that and then some and the M3 is a diferent aproach on a workstation, so TE owners aren't jumping blindly to buy an M3

Personally i loved the M3 it and have the means to get one right now but, for me its not the right time to buy one just yet, ill wait for the expansions, or the second generation (Aka M3 Studio) before replacing my TE.

just my opinion.

BTW i dont mean to be rude o disrespectful to the very helpful people that know about this issue and take the time out of their busy lives to answer our questions, is just that im a potential buyer that really wants to know.