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markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

I have purchased a new MacBook so therefore i have to update to KLC-1 v1.2.2 with the USB dongle.

I am not a big fan of dongles but i am a legititmate customer of Korg and bought the KLC-1 legally from an authorised dealer. However i would like to use a dongle emulator so to do away with the dongle and get back the USB port i would be losing.

Am i correct in thinking this is technically illegal even though i bought the product.

Ben Hall · Full Member Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 167

Firstly, yes, circumventing copy protection, reverse engineering or using cracks is illegal, even if you own a valid license to the product.

Secondly, there is no such thing as a dongle emulator on the Mac - the Syncrosoft protection employed by Korg and other companies is uncracked on the Mac platform, and recent versions I believe are also uncracked on the PC platform.

Using the dongle is your only solution for recent dongle-ized versions of the software.

markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

If i purchase a dongle and go through the relevant avenues to get the correct legal verification of the software can i back up my dongle in case i lose it.

so a dongle emulator is illegal or do you get legal ones. i have never used a dongle before so i am unsure how they work really.

MartinHines · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject:

Francois · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject:

You can backup your licences but only with iLok, not with syncrosoft. iLok offer a service for $30 a year if memory serves me right, whereby you can retrieve your licences in case your Dongle goes bad or gets stolen. I asked syncrosoft about this but they said it was not on the cards.

markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

mighty helpful. as i said never used a dongle before so didnt really know what to expect from them.

I used to have a pc and have recently moved to mac. I installed KLC-1 v.1.1.10 and it worked fine as standalone but would not within ableton live v6.

Am i correct in thinking i will need the USB dongle version for it too work within ableton live as an AU?

MartinHines · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:02 am Post subject:

markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

This is where i get confused now. As i said i installed KLC-1 v1.1.10 and that works as a standalone without the USB dongle.

As i have an intel based mac this makes me think that v1.1.10 is UB but however it will not work as an AU on the Intel mac.

The info given on korg user website is not very clear on this matter.

Any thoughts?

Ben Hall · Full Member Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 167

The original, older versions of the Legacy Collection did not use Syncrosoft protection.

All current versions of both Legacy collections do now use the Syncrosoft dongle.

Any version you buy new will use the dongle. Versions below something like 1.2 are not Universal Binary versions, and hence the AU will not show up in UB hosts (which is what you see with your non-UB 1.1.10 version)

To use the Legacy collection on an Intel Mac, you will need a recent, dongle-ised version of the Legacy collection.

markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

Thanks Ben

I was under the impression that if the v1.1.10 is not UB then it would not work on an Intel mac. For some reason though i installed v1.1.10 with the challenge/response method of verification and it worked as standalone.

this is my main point of confusion as if it works as a standalone on a UB mac then surely it would work in a UB version of ableton but i agree with you this may be where the problem lies.

Ben Hall · Full Member Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 167

Well...

It will work as a standalone, because the computer runs it (transparently) under Rosetta emulation (ie, it runs the PPC code emulated, ie about ten times slower than native Intel code).

However, a PPC plugin won't show up in a UB application, because OSX will only present Intel plugins running in an intel host. PPC only plugins will not be available.

Now, you could also run your host under Rosetta, and any PPC plugins *will* now show up, but it's like driving a car while simulataneously pressing the brakes - you're going much slower than the engine's power output would suggest.

The correct and proper solution if you are running on an Intel Mac is to run Intel code - therefore, you'll need UB versions of your host and plugins - anything else will cause issues, unexpected crashed, and/or dreadful performance.

MartinHines · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject:

Look at the Korg User Net FAQ for Legacy Collection users:
http://www.korguser.net/shop/software/support/faq.asp

http://www.korguser.net/shop/software/support/faq.asp?faq=1#10

markotronic · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

Thanks guys.

its been a bit of nightmare trying to get this sorted and understand exactly the correct reasons to upgrade to the dongle and get the correct version installed of KLC-1.

I have spoke to Korg support in the UK and they didnt know how i was running v1.1.10 on my Intel mac but what you have said sounds correct.

Ben Hall · Full Member Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 167

The forumula is simple - if you have an Intel Mac, you *need* Universal Binary versions of all the plugins you want to use.

MartinHines · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: