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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: How's the EXB-Radias? |
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Just got an M3, and was curious about the various expansions.
Is the EXB-Radias a must-have? I know it's not MOSS, but it's got much more polyphony and interesting features. (I play a lot of synthy trance & electronica stuff btw). _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Wow.....nobody? _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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Trinity2112 Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 579 Location: Delaware, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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If you have an extra $300 cluttering up your wallet then, yes, it's a must have. I ordered one with my M3 and really enjoy it, especially in Combi mode. I've also used it in almost all my sequences. You get a decent bang for the buck. I actually prefer it to insanely expense Triton MOSS board...which is rather lame when compared to a full blown Z1. _________________ Current Korg Lineup: Kronos 61, Oasys 76 · M3-61/RADIAS · Trinity Plus/HDR · 01/WFD · 01R/W · X3R · M3R · Wavestation EX · Wavestation SR · Triton Rack/MOSS · Z1EX · TR-Rack · Karma · D3200 · iM1 · iWavestation · iMono/Poly
Other Synths: Berhinger Deepmind 12 · iProphet · Moog Model D
Dearly departed: X3 |
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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Trinity2112 wrote: | I actually prefer it to insanely expense Triton MOSS board...which is rather lame when compared to a full blown Z1. |
I was told MOSS was the same as a Z1.....just less polyphony and no XY pad. _________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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sabol
Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Synthoid wrote: | Trinity2112 wrote: | I actually prefer it to insanely expense Triton MOSS board...which is rather lame when compared to a full blown Z1. |
I was told MOSS was the same as a Z1.....just less polyphony and no XY pad. |
You may find many discussions about EXB-Radias and I guess most of owners think it of great value, more or less like a must have. There have been also many discussions whether to have the expansion board or the complete Radias module (there are pros and cons).
But this is not a good idea to compare (EXB)-Radias to Z1. The Radias is just a virtual analog synth (although a very nice sounding). For Z1 the virtual analog is just one of 13 different synth engines. I can't comment about MOSS because I do not have it, but I have heard it like Z1 with limited polyphony. |
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Trinity2112 Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 579 Location: Delaware, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Synthoid wrote: | I was told MOSS was the same as a Z1.....just less polyphony and no XY pad. |
They forgot to tell you about the MOSS board's 64 missing multisets, 384 missing programs, the complete lack of dedicated controllers & PE knobs, the scaled down editing parameters and anything else I forgot to mention. Other than that, it's all the same sh*t. _________________ Current Korg Lineup: Kronos 61, Oasys 76 · M3-61/RADIAS · Trinity Plus/HDR · 01/WFD · 01R/W · X3R · M3R · Wavestation EX · Wavestation SR · Triton Rack/MOSS · Z1EX · TR-Rack · Karma · D3200 · iM1 · iWavestation · iMono/Poly
Other Synths: Berhinger Deepmind 12 · iProphet · Moog Model D
Dearly departed: X3 |
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LivePsy Senior Member
Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 355
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Trinity2112 wrote: | Synthoid wrote: | I was told MOSS was the same as a Z1.....just less polyphony and no XY pad. |
They forgot to tell you about the MOSS board's 64 missing multisets, 384 missing programs, the complete lack of dedicated controllers & PE knobs, the scaled down editing parameters and anything else I forgot to mention. Other than that, it's all the same sh*t. |
What's the scaled down editing? I had a Z1 myself (but not now to compare) and I can't think of any missing parameters. |
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EJ2 Approved Merchant
Joined: 13 May 2002 Posts: 2292 Location: Port Rowan, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Synthoid,
Sorry I missed this. EXB RADIAS for the M3 is an excellent addition. I won't say it's better than MOSS, but employed within the M3's KARMA 2, realtime control surface and vocoding functions, it's awesome and a hell of a lot cheaper than EXB MOSS or Z1.
I'm still tweaking a RADIAS charged combi for the M3 that I will share with KLF and KF members when it's ready.
Cheers,
Eric _________________ Cheers,
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer
CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
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Sharp Site Admin
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 18197 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Trinity2112 wrote: | Synthoid wrote: | I was told MOSS was the same as a Z1.....just less polyphony and no XY pad. |
They forgot to tell you about the MOSS board's 64 missing multisets, 384 missing programs, the complete lack of dedicated controllers & PE knobs, the scaled down editing parameters and anything else I forgot to mention. Other than that, it's all the same sh*t. |
All the Z1 factory and exp-card sounds are in the download section in MOSS format.
Regards.
Sharp. _________________
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rfoshaug Senior Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 290 Location: Norway
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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A couple of other interesting points for comparing EXB-MOSS with EXB-RADIAS... While the MOSS had several types of synthesis (which was very very nice), the RADIAS has a lot of advantages over MOSS, especially in the way it is integrated with the synth:
- On the MOSS, you had to assign the number of voices that should be used by each MOSS timbre when in sequencer or combi mode. The Radias does this dynamically, so you only have to enable Radias on up to 4 timbres.
- On MOSS, you had to select one of the MOSS timbres in sequencer or combi mode which would decide the effects settings for all MOSS timbres. In other words, every sound from the MOSS card went through the same sound bus into the Triton's effects system, and it was impossible to have one MOSS timbre with delay and another with overdrive, for example. On the M3, each RADIAS timbre can be routed individually through the effects just like any other timbre.
- On MOSS, there was program bank F. This was the only bank in the synth capable of storing MOSS programs. On the M3, bank I-F is still hardwired for RADIAS sounds and I-A - I-E are hardwired for EDS sounds (and I-G is the GM bank as usual). But each user bank (U-A - U-G) can be assigned to either EDS sounds or RADIAS sounds. I have assigned my U-F and U-G banks to RADIAS, so that I can create my own sounds without having to overwrite the presets if I don't want to. This is very nice.
- 24 voice polyphony compared to 6. Now you can actually play chords even if you have a little bit of release time on the envelopes.
But I do miss some of the more exotic oscillator models of the MOSS card, the ability for both OSC1 and OSC2 to be synched to the other, the ability to select "fingered" portamento so that you have to play legato for it to glide between notes etc (however this is now possible on the standalone RADIAS with some clever use of version 2.0 features and EG3 controlling portamento time). So there are functions from the MOSS board that can't be emulated on the RADIAS board, just as there are functions from RADIAS that can't be done on MOSS. |
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r12 Full Member
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 218 Location: BREST-FRANCE
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: |
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if korg release a combo exb radias/moss, I sell my exb radias and buy it even if it's more than 500 $
but I don't think so... _________________ YAMAHA W5 + TRITON proX (exb MOSS / exb PCM01 / exb PCM05 / exb SCSI / 64Mo) + M3-73 No.000187 v2.0 (exb Radias v2.0 / exb M256) + DOEPFER LMK2+
AKAI DPS16 + MINDPRINT Envoice + ART Dual MP + RODE NT1000
BEHRINGER DDX3216 + 4 MACKIE SRM350 + 2 MACKIE SWA1501 (+ PEAVEY KB300 )
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Synthoid Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 3300 Location: PA, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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sabol wrote: |
But this is not a good idea to compare (EXB)-Radias to Z1. The Radias is just a virtual analog synth (although a very nice sounding). For Z1 the virtual analog is just one of 13 different synth engines. I can't comment about MOSS because I do not have it, but I have heard it like Z1 with limited polyphony. |
No, I wasn't comparing the two. I have MOSS in my Triton, and know Radias is a different animal. Just wanted to hear some owner feedback.
_________________ M3, Triton Classic, Radias, Motif XS, Alesis Ion |
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kimu Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1133 Location: Italy,Milan
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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i think if you link synth sound and want a real (limited) VA on the M3 then you ahve to get the EXB-RADIAS, if you are not interesting in increasing the (real) synth (and not rompler) capabilities than save your money.
what i can say is that synth sound from RADIAS are better then many sounds in normal M3 prog and combi and also modulation and synthesys capabilities are much more similar to what you could find on a VA.
with respect to MOSS (i got it on Trinity), well, i prefer MOSS sound... |
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EJ2 Approved Merchant
Joined: 13 May 2002 Posts: 2292 Location: Port Rowan, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I won't say that EXB RADIAS sounds are better than the M3's internal programs; just different.
Hi rfoshaug,
Just so others don't misunderstand, you still may have to allocate your RADIAS voices, if you want to intetgrate them within a combi. RADIAS programs default to the first 4 timbres in an M3 combi. So, if you want to insert a RADIAS program elsewhere (eg. timbres 7, 9, 13 etc.), then you have to allocate them accordingly. This is done from the P2 EQ/Option page.
Cheers,
Eric _________________ Cheers,
Jim (aka EJ2) Karma-Lab Associate Combi Developer
CATALYST v 2 Blast of Inspiration for KRONOS & OASYS: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst2.html
CATALYST v 1 Combi Explosion for KRONOS, OASYS, M3, & K-M50: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/catalyst1.html
CHEMISTRY 3, a Groove Injection for Your Karma: http://www.karma-lab.com/sounds/chem3.html
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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kimu wrote: | i think if you link synth sound and want a real (limited) VA on the M3 then you ahve to get the EXB-RADIAS, if you are not interesting in increasing the (real) synth (and not rompler) capabilities than save your money.
what i can say is that synth sound from RADIAS are better then many sounds in normal M3 prog and combi and also modulation and synthesys capabilities are much more similar to what you could find on a VA.
with respect to MOSS (i got it on Trinity), well, i prefer MOSS sound... |
I mostly agree. I lov MOSS, even with its limitations. Its one reason why I keep my Extreme _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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