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georgeinar · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: OSAM 3 - FEB 08 CHECKLIST

February 2008 OSAM:

Dee Sounds Good

Ellll

Daz

Sewa

Lorenzo

Jonsolo

Jazlover

Drwho

Diego

Unimon
Georgeinar Sounds Good

Stephen

Chordial

Keep me posted everyone in case I've missed you. And for those doing every other month let me know and I'll put an N/A by your name for the off months. By the way the Sounds Good

signifies a posting and not necessarily a finished polished piece. So if I've seen you post something I'll check off your name.

Diego · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:19 am Post subject:

Hi!

This thread is titled "MAR completition list"...
I guess it should be FEB...otherwise, I'm already 1 month late with my song...OMG, I must hurry up to complete my tune!!!
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georgeinar · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:24 am Post subject:

Sorry Diego, I did this late at night. February it is.
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DrWho · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject:

Whooa - good catch Diego - I missed that too! Ohh man Confused

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ellll · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:

What da ya know? 6 of 13 ....already???

Very Happy

John ellll Rolling Eyes

georgeinar · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:

Hey, I know what. Maybe I should close the sticky for the month on the first day of the next month so if your song isn't up by then, tough luck. I know with this bunch they will either do it or not. We are all die hards here. So I for one will not be scolding the late comers if there are any. If people don't submit their song, then they lose out. It's their loss. Unfortanately, it affects the group as well, though. Because it's the posting and sharing and comments that keep us fired up. Say only 3 or 4 stuck with it, what is it then? I know the last one seemed to fizzle out with many of those who signed on. What do others think of this idea? Problem is, would we have any exceptions? And if so, how would that work?
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ellll · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:33 am Post subject:

George, I am with you on what you feel is best...

but I'm ret. and have the time, so I won't speak for others-wise...I do know I like the do it or die kind of thing for myself, and generally refuse to not meet a deadline...but often I am pretty careless if I hurry ..so ..you see.. AND.. we DON'T want to lose anyone either...

I will follow your instruct in any event!!

Regards, John ellll Very Happy

JonSolo · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:32 am Post subject:

As a member of the previous OSAM I can share with you what I missed and why I think it fizzled.

1. We did not even get 100% of the songs turned in on the first month. That dropped to 50% on the second month, and then only four of us by the third month. Like George asks, what is it then?

2. Less than half of the participants even gave feedback to other users. I got more feedback from some who were not participating, i.e. George and Stephen. There were some who we never heard from again after the first week.

3. The stickies were usually updated late and sometimes not at all.

It is never a good idea to attempt to micromanage practically anything but especially a project with the nature of OSAM. But there still should be some ground rules that protect those of us who are serious about this, but at the same time encourage those who might be struggling through a month or two.

I agree that the stickies should be closed at months end. For the record, there is nothing wrong with posting a scratch version of what you are working on. Post something early on and get feedback on fixing it the whole month.

If you miss a month, that is fine. You missed the month. Tough. But you are welcome to post your song for the following month with no ramifications. However, I think to get that slider, you have to be active with the other posts going on. This means more than saying "good job, have a nice day". In fact my personal thoughts are to allow up to a two month slide, as long as the participant is posting feedback to other OSAMers. However, on the third month missed, that name is stricken from the sticky for the rest of this OSAM project. I also think that the two month slide should only happen three non consecutive times. This allows for those who are doing a song every other month to still participate and be within the "rules" of the OSAM.

One thing that is for sure a bottom line. We have 13 OSAMers. There needs to be at LEAST comments from each of those 13 on every song posted.

Communism is alive and well. Laughing

Seriously, is that being too hard or too complex? (It is the mood I am in tonight, ha ha!!)

Jon

Edit- one more thing to add...it really helps if all participants utilize the SUBJECT of the post to the fullest by posting at least THEIR user name and the month they are filling.
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georgeinar · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:16 am Post subject:

Those are some good thoughts too, Jonsolo. I think it's a bad idea for people to try catching up like when they're 2 months behind and the rest of us can't keep track of which month they're posting. Like if we're in May and someone just does March, it's very confusing. Also, I don't know what is gained by posting songs very late and trying to catch up. I think if you missed the month's deadline, then your song goes for the next month and you have a gap in your productions. I think maybe if we can be convinced of an act of God, fire, power failures, etc. We could agree to allow someone to post a few days late or that sort of thing. If people do fall behind and want to still do 12 songs, then do the 12 songs. You will not show up on the checklist as finished. But you would know you did your 12 songs and you could have posted 12 songs with comments.

But enough of the negative. I am so encouraged by the strong vibe here so far. And we're almost like half way finished for Feb on the checklist. Hopefully this should help with me doing the checklist as I know Sharp was very busy the last go around and had a hard time keeping up with the postings. Since I'm in this to my ears I should be ok as far as keeping up to date on the monthly checklists. We do still owe a lot to Sharp for coming up with this concept. When I first heard about this I thought it was nuts, since I was like Rabbit, doing a million songs a month. But this OSam got me going at a new higher level and also, I got more proficient technically with my productions, moving some of it to the pc where I can edit. The TS is very slow for certain things and limited. Though it's a powerhouse in other ways.
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DrWho · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:04 am Post subject:

For the most part I agree w/Jon. But I guess bring late a whole month is a lot to catch up. In fact, I don't think anyone has done that. Once they fall behind, they never make it up.

I also agree w/participating in the feedback - that really is a very big part of the OSAM. It is one of th things that differentiates it from the Promote Your Own Music section of the forum.

Time for me to get back to work on my tune - don't wanna be late right off the bat!
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JonSolo · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:19 am Post subject:

Yea, in case you missed my point it was to skip the month altogether. In other words: there is no catch up.

If you miss March, then the song you post in April will be for April. No bad feelings...uh, as long as you are posting feedback to other members. I agree that in emergencies that folks list, we could easily overlook any amount of time. However, if it was that bad, maybe OSAM is not a good idea for them anyway?!?!

You are right George- The positive feedback, general feel, even from those who have not posted their song yet is fantastic! If I may make one more suggestion: create a sticky for the following month a few days prior to the end of the previous month.

Jon
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ellll · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:

It's worth noting this is the plan Sharp had to start with..and it did reasonable, as you may recall...a few fell a bit, but we finished well...

I support the issues as you have spoken of them, however I encourage the moderators to encourage in their posts as soon as possible. It must be up to the owners/moderators to determine the final disposition.

It's one thing to insist on a series of checks and balances, but any person feeling left out should recieve help...or at least encouragement and we often don't recognize when something is bothering a member...it's not possible to read minds, so I suggest the need to ask...,: Suggestions?...Any problems we can help with?..We haven't heard from you for a while, is something wrong?... Are you happy with the group?? etc...

Just a suggestion..worth the thought perhaps...of course as I said earlier, we are not expected to be mind readers, and neither are the moderators. However, good leaders ARE perceptive in ways that count..

Regards!!! John ellll Rolling Eyes

JonSolo · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject:

ellll · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject:

This kind of activity,

Is not easy for everyone, indeed maybe not many at all. Thats why we need to be aware of each other all the time in a general sense. We have lost people before..as a result of a misunderstanding or possibly forgetting in a sense...

Some require a different level of feedback...I am sorry if Rabbit has dropped. It disappoints me. Hopefully we will have no others to do so.

John..ellll Exclamation

chordial · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:

It's a big commitment, and it can be a struggle to complete on time. It's not something you take on lightly Smile

I'm seeing a really good community spirit again with this new OSAM, and the quality (and quantity) of the feedback is just what's needed to keep everyone focussed. The communication in the group is great, and that can make all the difference.

Yes, it should be fun, but there's also a heck of a lot hard work that goes into these songs.

I'm in, need a good kick start.
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