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ellll Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3118 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Mar. 2008 OSAM..ellll, Route 102 |
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This is the same basically, as the orig. improv...That was done by first playing some chordal structure, while "digging" through programs. The two "off color" are not what they appear but are changed from orig. O1W programs from a friend..
One was Desert Dawn, re-done to be called by this guy...Desert Womb; the second was once Blue moon...and he calls it Dark Moon, and the third was made from French Boys, and he calls it Superhorn...
Tempo is up by 6 beats from what I orig. played that day, (to mm/118 quarter note), but is still playable by any trained pianist, and I am doing the score now...
It represents for me...the eastern New Mexico and northwestern Texas, truly lonely highway through desert conditions and low mountian beauty...very lonely with no cars for long stretches...
It still has no new sound..but it will when I am able...
http://www.korgforums.com/mp3/route102.mp3
Best Regards!!, ellll
**EDIT:..New at better bit rate...Please check it for me....John
Last edited by ellll on Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:43 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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JonSolo Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 969 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Your playing as always is great John.
I love the song's development from the 1:30 mark on. I must admit that the guitar/plucked sounding part in the first minute and a half is confusing to me. It seems to "compete" with what I am focused on.
The brass is very welcomed in this song. Subtle parts that briefly draw your attention but then digress as the piano again takes a rolling lead. But then the guitar/plucked sounding part kinda comes back in toward the end. It isn't the sound that confuses, though that may have to do with why I feel like it "competes" at times with the piano. Maybe a harp would have captured the feeling better?
The melody structure the latter half of the song is lovely. I know you were thinking desert but this song has a very wintery feel to it.
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Lorenzo Platinum Member
Joined: 07 Sep 2002 Posts: 3681 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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this song is a constant progression (not in the musical meaning) to something, it gain the attention of the listener untill its end. Another great work!
just some technical impression though, I think that the piano should stay more in the mix, maybe it's volume is too high or the reverb isn't the right one. At 3:34 even if I can't see the clip in the audio editor I hear a distortion in the sound of the piano. There are also a sub-noise (try to filter the frequencies below the 40-50 HZ (I didn't analyze the waveform, maybe it's the electrical noise so try to cut the 50 [EU] or the 60 HZ [US]).
There is also a total lack but it's only an impression of sounds in the higher frequencies range like above the 16KHz (ok, I wrote here a number but I'm really not sure about this, maybe it's even higher) cos I can't hear the "air" in the sound. Maybe you put a filter for higher frequencies?
Regards, Lorenzo _________________ http://www.synthaddicted.com |
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ellll Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3118 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lorenzo hit it..,!!!!!!!!!!!!,
On what I am hearing...Interesting.. The eq is a few db up at 30,60,125..almost flat but above the center point at 250, 500, 1K, and MUCH higher for 2,4,8,16 and 20K..I hear it that way through 'phones, and to some extent through the speakers...from the synth through my high quality but old professional Technics commercial unit. It is GOOD here...and bright, as I "like" bright.....
HOWEVER...The first time I listened on the comp from the forum...it was much less "attractive"..and missing a lot it has here in the orig...so I ask as I have in the past...how much do we lose to encoding to mp3? and how much might I be losing in the computer??
To finalize this...if I run the synth with the orig...it sounds fine...If I play the Audacity version as wave..it is fine, but the mp3 seems less bright, and the one over the forum the least of the versions...I used the C-- whatever on the Smart FTP...(right?)...
Thanks for the comments from Jon and Lorenzo..You are right on the muddle at the start...intended....It is a haze and a distant darkness you drive into here...
The piano was used..as it is my instrument, but if it were a song of note, needing a better plan, probably the piano should be less intrusive...or replaced..
Thanks guys! let me know MORE about the "sound"..please read my note on the other thread...
John.. |
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chordial Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Posts: 3385 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Home now at last, firstly I'd like to say well done for providing a creative and soulfull piece of music.
Focussing on the music and how I feel, the piano parts are really breathtaking. I know it's your thing, and I concentrate on these too, they are so articulate and flowing. I do think that we haven't heard the best overall sound yet, I'm sure something is being lost in the conversion.
Desert, I can see that, but the quiet backing parts lead me somewhere else.
Great work John
Edit- I see it's encoded at 128Kbps, you could try 192 or 256, have a listen and see what you think. _________________ Chordial |
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georgeinar Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2002 Posts: 3425 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Ellll, it is an honor to have your here among us. What a lovely, well written piece that took me on a journey that I shall likely repeat again and again. Yes, there could be some improvement in how it was recorded, but as you say it's all in the composition. And I think what you've done esp with the piano is spectacular. Do teach your techniques and theory to as many people as possible. Some day, when we're all gone, and there are others to take our place, would that they could benefit from your years of experience. _________________ George Nelson is 2loose
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Stephen Platinum Member
Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 4709
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DrWho Platinum Member
Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1930 Location: CT - USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Hi ellll,
Yes - highs get the crap kicked out of them @ 128 MP3. Crank it up to 192 at the least.
Oh man - I can't even think about how to compose like this. Very scenic playing - if you know what I mean. I had to listen to it a few times to get my mind around it - as I am not accustomed to listening to this style.
Yes - I like the horn - nice touch. From that point on the tune seems to come together for me. This is a very beautiful composition _________________ Care for a jelly baby?
http://www.soundclick.com/artist/9/surfacetension_music.htm |
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ellll Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3118 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hi friends,
So I need to go to "192" rather than "128"? Thanks...!!! (now, what point is this you are speaking of...is it the conversion...or the sending?.. Winlame..or Smart f-p...??? or something else?? like the Audacity recording?)..(sorry I am dull...)
My Best, John ellll |
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Dee Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 532 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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This is the setting for the mp3 encoding, so if you're exporting the file as an mp3 from Audacity there will be a setting there, or if you're using winLame, set it there. I use 256 kbs, as recommended earlier.
Hope this helps,
Dee |
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georgeinar Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2002 Posts: 3425 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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that number is like a resolution setting, how many little waves make up the same sound, so the higher the number the more like the original sound wave you get as a result _________________ George Nelson is 2loose
http://www.cdbaby.com/artist/2loose for my cds
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chordial Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Posts: 3385 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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I hear a difference,
There's still something missing from the mid to top end, but crank the volume up, and it's very clear. It's nothing really only a small way to go, to release the full potential. I wish I could be of more help, it's still an amazing work.
I'm concentrating on the music... _________________ Chordial |
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jazlover Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2002 Posts: 1657 Location: Tampa, Fla USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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John, you know how I feel about the music. The recording is clearer which helps us to hear all of the virtuosity. I truly do love the intro sounds...That strong bow sound on strings and then the horns in the background. It is like the opening picture to a vast horizon of wonder. Kewl!
I would really hate you not being part of this group. I want to selfishly continue hear your approach and directions you are taking us. Your family is first but we need your perspective and experience here. Thanks for joining the shindig!
I definitely need to get piano fingering lessons from you (if you don't mind the small commute to Tampa). My left hand is like the dumber little brother. Plus there is my lack of discipline, hard work ethic, lack of vision, inabilty to learn, poor memory..... _________________ “I’m into scales right now.”
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ellll Platinum Member
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3118 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Cordial...and Jaz!!!...You guys are great!!! Just like everyone else here (almost... )...!
In fact, no one knows much better than me..except maybe the way cool observer, Jon, who has a VERY keen ear......that my sound needs improving...so I am hoping for the best.
I believe it is part a matter of my past, and what we were pleased with in growing up...I am from the decades that went out and bought the best SINGLE woofer and tweeter we could afford, and built our own cab.....for MONO....mind you...and I have not been as astute in my listening skills with speakers....
IN RELATION to REPRODUCED music...I went through thirty years of not even paying much attention to the recordings made of my choirs!!...but instead walking to the back and sides in the aud. to hear the live acoustics before a performance...I didn't listen more than maybe once or twice to the recordings...just to see that they were good...H---, I heard them singing every day!!!
It is very much different now, hearing sound from synth. and speakers and getting it to sound right..but I am more hurt from the programs right now...In those past times...the school did the recording...I didn't have to worry about it...
I also have need to mention, in case any read this...I have not yet listened to the March tunes that are on...a bit behind right now...but I will get it done.
My honest gratitude to you all for your acceptance!!! and encouragement!!
My Best!!! ellll !! (John) |
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chordial Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Posts: 3385 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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John, it's always a pleasure to hear your compositions.
I love the fact that most of the other osam's guys are more technically able to give advice, I'm just playing it by ear.
Not only that of course, but to listen and take musically from the posts.
As is say, it's just a production element that needs tweaking, the icing on the cake, we will work it out _________________ Chordial |
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