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[Vadim]

the "versus thread" had to come some time...

I currently have Triton Extreme,(and TR-RACK that I will keep forever!)
and Now since M50 has VSTi Editor I plan on switching from triton to M50.

I've also owned OASYS, but I preferred some sounds in Triton Extreme over OASYS.
M50 is based on M3/OASYS sounds,
but the thing that scares me is: M50 has only 6 banks!
if M50 isn't expandable I will miss Triton Extreme sounds.
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[shrike]

I don't see 6 banks limiting in any way.

I have Extreme also and erased so many sounds I didn't used that I freed up complete four banks and made them my user banks where I store my sounds.

I think too that M50 is designed to be giging tool.

But Korg should really consider making some sampler expansion. Without sampler, it's just not complete workstation.

[bkboy]

Sampler and VA expansions should have been options, and audio-in should have been a necessity like on the roland juno-g.

Without audio-in, no vocals, etc.

However, I do understand Korg promoting this as an add-on board instead of a full workstation. Still, why not have some cool features (Juno-G is hard to beat in that area).

Its still good though to see 5 insert effects! (instead of the extremely limiting 1 insert on the TR and Triton LE series). Now if M50 has EXB-SMPL like on the TR series, it will be something I will buy!

[Vadim]

yes, this isn't really a Studio Workstation neither Performance Keyboard....

I used to own oasys, but I preferred many sounds in Triton Extreme over Oasys's sounds. that's why i'm worried about just 6 banks in m50.
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[bquarrie]

I agree that the sampler should have been an option too...

I'm glad about the 5 insert effects, 2 masters and global EQ etc. (does it still have the 3-band EQ on each track like the M3? I hope so!)

This keyboard does looks gorgeous though - like a spruced-up design of the classic M1 - to me from a design perspective this looks like it belongs to the 'M' family than the M3 does.

And no vacuum tube concerns either. I'm also hoping the build quality is good for a light keyboard..
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[BasariStudios]

I dont wanna be rude but EXTREME vs M50??? Its funny.
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[Vadim]

[X-Trade]

Lets not forget, you're talking about two very different classes of 'workstation'.

Extreme vs M50 is like OASYS vs M50 or Extreme vs TR.

The M50 is to the M3 and the OASYS what TR and Triton LE are to the Triton range.

I currently use a TR and find it does sound really nice, but some of the sounds are less than believable, often dark. brighter sounds will cut through the mix better, but you can still make them dark with the filters, eq, IF need be. with Triton range you are stuck with the character of the sounds, in some cases more is better - because you can make it less. I always say this about harmonics (its why i prefer my steinberger bass to say, a jazz bass. it has a really bright metal character which i can then dim down with EQ or filters when I need something more subtle).

And I think i can certainly say that, the vast majority of TR and LE users have not even bothered giving a second thought to buying the sampling extension. Most of us don't even need it. okay from what i'm reading we can't even load samples from disk/SD card. if thats right then i might be a little dissapointed, even though I still have yet to buy any sample RAM for my TR and I may never even get around to playing with that feature.
And the whopping amount of samples makes it less possible that you are going to want to load different samples into it anyway.


But whilat we are on the subject, basically of HI versues EDS;
The HI engine has per voice drive, like on the radias. now I havn't played around with M3 or M50 extensively yet because I don't own one, but the drive on my Radias sounds pretty sweet, and smoothes out nicely without peaking. Not quite like your real tubes, but it can still sound pretty warm if you can find that sweet spot.
Lets also talk about filters,
As far as i'm aware, the EDS engine has up to two multimode resonant filters(correct me if i'm wrong). The HI engine in the extreme and similar only has two (high and low pass) NON-resonant filters or ONE low pass resonant filter.
it also sounds to me like the EDS engine is completely in stereo.


Now, one feature i do use a lot is the aftertouch. This is one thing which makes it difficult to sell the M50 to me (apart from my current lack of funds ).
but it responds to aftertouch. so what? I use my TR or my K1 (which I bought specifically as a 61-key controller with aftertouch, dirt cheap) to control it for sounds that do need aftertouch (I use a very integrated midi setup anyway, anything can be controlled from any keyboard).

If it means that I can get some of the M3 sounds for under £900 I think it is worth it. hell, my TR almost cost that much when I bought it.

But if you're looking to compare with the extreme, you're picking the wrong fight. The extreme should be compared with the M3.

[Beats]

Korg, all the guys from Korg--I love the price, but I would have no doubt payed even more money for this keyboard, if only it had a sampling option.

The EDS, and 5FXS is not worth trading in my TR for, which has the sampling option. I love the allure of just having one board to get musical jobs done.

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate your products Korg, but to me the M50, without a sampling option is just a performance stage piano.

[MrT-Man]

I think it's hard to compare instruments on the basis of spec sheets. I think the test will be to compare what they actually sound like, once the M50 shows up in stores.

[klarnet basowy]

[Beats]

True, you have a point. I guess I really would have to hear the M50 in person. It's the drums that I am reffering to.