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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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It simply doesn't bother me.
If European prices would come even close to that nonsense pricing, my Kronos interest would immediately be cancelled, and I wouldn't show any more interest in the Kronos for years to come! In this case I would just order a Nord Stage 2 for live play and use software for the rest, and not change my gear for the next years. Simple as that.
Anyway: it has become crystal clear that the OP was more than justified.
Pure price chaos in Europe now, and many people in European forums will already panic and begin their personal search for alternatives, long before the Kronos even gets it's official price in Frankfurt.
A case of bad marketing strategy? |
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EvilDragon Platinum Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 1992 Location: Croatia
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | A case of bad marketing strategy? |
Definitely.
I'm sad to say but Korg will lose another customer right here, if the prices prove to end up being outrageously ridiculous like they are fanfared right now here in Europe. It's gonna be another fail for Korg regarding sales. This is why they should've announced the price both for USA and EU at the same time... |
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orpheus2006 Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 597 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | If European prices would come even close to that nonsense pricing, my Kronos interest would immediately be cancelled, and I wouldn't show any more interest in the Kronos for years to come! | +1
No way they see my money.
I actually haven't explored all the features my M3 has, and I just ordered the new version of Sonar that comes with a couple of nice synth engines, too. _________________ www.soundcloud.com/orpheus2006
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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I just noticed Music Store Cologne has not just posted the fantasy price: they have placed these offers on order! You can buy (preorder) a Kronos at this overpriced tag there!
Things are really getting out of control, and perhaps time has come for Korg to do something about the European situation. Official order placing at that price isn't exactly promoting Korg's reputation in favor of the new workstation, and this kind of news from one of the biggest German resellers will really spread fast.
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dokido Full Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2011 Posts: 114
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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well then i keep my m3, kronos is not that important anyway, it had been fun though _________________ M50, M3, Radias, Kaossilator Pro, Kaosspad 3, EMX, Microkorg X and Native Instruments and Polar Ti Virus |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I just calculated that the Music Store tag would mean a more than 80% higher price compared to US-prices!
No tax and no custom duty will come remotely close to justify such prices.
I still don't see a reason for panic reactions, looking at the Frank Sawusch interview (he named an approximate 3000-4000€ price range).
But anyway Korg will probably lose customers, among those no longer waiting for April-May, soon as facing such price tags from big online resellers. European keyboarders will begin looking for something else right away, or at least check other directions soon, and be on the jump to quit the Kronos option. |
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orpheus2006 Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 597 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | I just noticed Music Store Cologne has not just posted the fantasy price: they have placed these offers on order! You can buy (preorder) a Kronos at this overpriced tag there! | Music-Service have had the same fantasy prices, but removed their prices from their web-page. Next candidate is now Music-Store. I wasn't aware I live in a banana republic. Really embarrassing!
jimknopf wrote: | I just calculated that the Music Store tag would mean a more than 80% higher price compared to US-prices! | We all know what the prices should be, except some european dealers who haven't done their homework yet! I bet music-store will remove their prices during the next days.
Let's help them a bit:
Do we buy a Kronos 88 at 5000+ EUR? Certainly not!
Do we buy a Kronos 88 at 4000+ EUR? Certainly not!
Do we buy a Kronos 88 at 3800+ EUR? Maybe a few will, but it's not that great revenue for you!
Do we buy a Kronos 88 at under 3500 EUR? That sounds better, let's make the deal! _________________ www.soundcloud.com/orpheus2006
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sewa Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Well in that case the options are private import or a return ticket to N.Y. 4000 Euro for a 61 workstation, what are they thinking? _________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/sewa01/videos |
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vEddY Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 1263 Location: Zagreb
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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EvilDragon wrote: |
I'm sad to say but Korg will lose another customer right here, if the prices prove to end up being outrageously ridiculous like they are fanfared right now here in Europe. It's gonna be another fail for Korg regarding sales. This is why they should've announced the price both for USA and EU at the same time... |
Don't generalize so quickly, buddy... As I said, this could be a bit "on purpose". It might do bad in Europe, but I'm pretty sure it will do very well in the US. It's a balance.... And yes, we always get the shorter end of the stick here in Europe. That's why I'm seriously considering to move to the US finally... _________________ Check out http://it-review.net. Reviews and news - hardware, software and musical instruments.
Personally? LPI. RHCE, RHCI, RHCX, RHCVA. MCITP 2008 certification done. MCITP Virtualization Administrator done. MCITP Exchange 2010 done. MCITP MS SQL 2008 done. MCT done. MCSE Server Infrastructure 2012, MCSE: Private Cloud, MCSE:Messaging and MCSE: Desktop Infrastructure done. VCP5-DV done. VCI done. MCITP: Sharepoint 2010 Administrator done. VCP5-Cloud done. VCP5-DT done. VCAP5-DCA done. VCP6-DCV done. |
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orpheus2006 Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 597 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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vEddY wrote: | It might do bad in Europe, but I'm pretty sure it will do very well in the US. | Absolutely, this will be the result if they do not re-think their go-to-market strategy in Europe. Korg Europe will fail to deliver the numbers! It looks to me they are unbef...inglievable blind. They see the success of Kronos in the US and project it over the ocean, but forgot the prices. _________________ www.soundcloud.com/orpheus2006
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synthjoe Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 1011
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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jimknopf wrote: | It simply doesn't bother me.
If European prices would come even close to that nonsense pricing, my Kronos interest would immediately be cancelled, and I wouldn't show any more interest in the Kronos for years to come! In this case I would just order a Nord Stage 2 for live play and use software for the rest, and not change my gear for the next years. Simple as that.
Anyway: it has become crystal clear that the OP was more than justified.
Pure price chaos in Europe now, and many people in European forums will already panic and begin their personal search for alternatives, long before the Kronos even gets it's official price in Frankfurt.
A case of bad marketing strategy? |
+1
Except, why look for alternatives? I have been making music up until today with the synths I have - sure it would be nice to have all these features in one box, but at anything more than the US price I prefer to buy a flight ticket, if I'll ever need it that badly... At least some nice holidays, finally. |
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vEddY Platinum Member
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 1263 Location: Zagreb
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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orpheus2006 wrote: | Absolutely, this will be the result if they do not re-think their go-to-market strategy in Europe. Korg Europe will fail to deliver the numbers! It looks to me they are unbef...inglievable blind. They see the success of Kronos in the US and project it over the ocean, but forgot the prices. |
Actually, this is a market trend that's been happening for years in the IT industry. And big players don't seem to have a big problem with it. I have a very recent example of MSI on our market - they pretty much don't even try to sell stuff here, but they sell a lot across the border and since it "all falls within the same roof" and the same central office is "in charge" - everything is cool for Taiwan. Because all they're interested in are targets - numbers, profits and revenues. Where, how - they don't really care.
Insane market(ing) strategy. They lost every single one of their distributors and buyers and nobody's even thinking about them anymore. Companies, as politicians, are "moving away from the people", it's like a general movement. And usually things take a turn for the worse and with relationships with some markets broken - whichever the quantity that you used to sell was - it's very hard to get back on the "good" side. _________________ Check out http://it-review.net. Reviews and news - hardware, software and musical instruments.
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jimknopf Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: |
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If they can afford to lose European customers just for the sake of bad announcement timing, just by publishing correct European price tags much too late, who cares, as long as they don't care?
As I said, no problem for me at all. |
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orpheus2006 Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Frank Sawusch, Marketing Director of Korg&More Europe, told in an interview that prices between 3000-4000€ are very likely. Therefore I don't think Korg US and European distributors have (much) different transfer prices. I tend to hypothesize that Korg Japan as well as the European distributors are not responsible for these fantasy prices.
The problem is rather with the local dealers. They haven't solved their profit maximization equation yet!
As long as the prices are being perceived as unfair (in relation to US MAP), most musicians won't buy a Kronos. If European Korg Distributers have not negotiated minumum order quantities yet with the local dealers, they are at highest risk to fail completely and they are well-advised to force their customers to not announce any fantasy prices for the Kronos.
Just my view on the game that hasn't changed yet!
What does this mean for us, the potential buyers?
We are in the happy position to just lean back and watch this amateurish execution. The best buyers' strategy remains unchanged, as Ozy said: "Let the dust settle." _________________ www.soundcloud.com/orpheus2006
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Bart S. Full Member
Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 106 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Considering an import (USA to Europe): does anyone know, if you'll have to change the power supply (USA: 120V, 60Hz - Germany: 220V, 50Hz)? |
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