Why only 2 Oscs?

Discussion relating to the Korg Kronos Workstation.

Moderators: Sharp, X-Trade, Pepperpotty, karmathanever

Biopharmer
Junior Member
Posts: 60
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:54 pm

Why only 2 Oscs?

Post by Biopharmer »

All of Korg's VAs, including the AL-1, only have 2 oscillators. Why? Would it kill them to add a third?

Oh, I'm sure it can sound amazing, and Mike Conway's videos have sold me already, but still... I'm used to having 1 oscillator at -12 semitones, one at 0, and one at +12, and then detuning the two higher ones slightly. It sounds awesome. But you can't really do that with 2. Unless I missed that there are sub-oscillators.

Anyway, I'm liking what i'm hearing though, i'll just have to come up with new programming habits.
DX7 w/ E!, TX81Z, Micron, AN1X, Waldorf Blofeld, Alesis QSR, Proteus /2, Poly-800, Poly-61, Ensoniq Mirage.
EvilDragon
Platinum Member
Posts: 1992
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:18 pm
Location: Croatia

Post by EvilDragon »

Up to 32 oscillators on a Kurzweil... 64, if you mix a VA oscillator and a keymap. ;)
User avatar
RichF
Senior Member
Posts: 435
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:21 am
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Contact:

Post by RichF »

AL-1 absolutely does have a sub oscillator... And remember that in a single Program, you can have two EXi engines at the same time, which doubles your oscillator count. Then, you get into Combis, and it multiplies again.

-Rich
Richard Formidoni
robinkle
Senior Member
Posts: 382
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:21 pm
Location: Norway

Post by robinkle »

OSC1, OSC2, Sub-oscillator and noise generator; ring modulation, FM and Sync

:)
Biopharmer
Junior Member
Posts: 60
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:54 pm

Post by Biopharmer »

Okay, nice! Sounds awesome. Yeah, I was surprised by what I heard from Mike Conway's videos. I especially like patches like the Woodbox Bass patch or Stack Bass patch or Two ClassicBasses. Does the Kronos have any built in chorus effects that could come close to the old Juno choruses (i'm talking about the actual original Juno series, not the lame new ones)?

Korg should do a synthpop demo of the Kronos. Erasure/Depeche Mode style.

I really like what I heard from the MOD-7 engine. I could finally pack up my DX-7 (it's ram battery died before I even got it haha, probably long before I was even born).
DX7 w/ E!, TX81Z, Micron, AN1X, Waldorf Blofeld, Alesis QSR, Proteus /2, Poly-800, Poly-61, Ensoniq Mirage.
User avatar
jeebustrain
Platinum Member
Posts: 1284
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:08 pm
Location: In a Roger Dean painting

Post by jeebustrain »

RichF wrote:AL-1 absolutely does have a sub oscillator... And remember that in a single Program, you can have two EXi engines at the same time, which doubles your oscillator count. Then, you get into Combis, and it multiplies again.

-Rich

I'm not familiar with the AL-1 engine very much, but are you able to set up a modulation between individual oscillators between 2 engines?

For example, can you set up an LFO w/ S&H to modulate individual oscillator elements across 2 engines (like waveshape)? Or would you have to set up an LFO for each engine and sync them?

Other than the MS2000B, I'm fairly unfamiliar with most of Korg's VA stuff. The VA engine inside the Alesis Fusion is super flexible/routable (almost like a modular synth), so I've been kind of spoiled by the flexibility of it.
::: Korg Kronos 88 ::: Alesis Fusion 8HD ::: Kurzweil PC361 ::: Roland V-Synth ::: DSI Prophet 12 ::: DSI OB-6 ::: Korg Prophecy ::: Moog Micromoog ::: Yamaha CP-30 ::: Alesis Andromeda ::: Moog Sub37 ::: Sequential Prophet 600 ::: Korg MS2000BR ::: GSI Burn :::

My Music
Biopharmer
Junior Member
Posts: 60
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:54 pm

Post by Biopharmer »

jeebustrain wrote:
RichF wrote:AL-1 absolutely does have a sub oscillator... And remember that in a single Program, you can have two EXi engines at the same time, which doubles your oscillator count. Then, you get into Combis, and it multiplies again.

-Rich

I'm not familiar with the AL-1 engine very much, but are you able to set up a modulation between individual oscillators between 2 engines?

For example, can you set up an LFO w/ S&H to modulate individual oscillator elements across 2 engines (like waveshape)? Or would you have to set up an LFO for each engine and sync them?

Other than the MS2000B, I'm fairly unfamiliar with most of Korg's VA stuff. The VA engine inside the Alesis Fusion is super flexible/routable (almost like a modular synth), so I've been kind of spoiled by the flexibility of it.
Ooh! Good point! Yeah, I'd like to know too.
DX7 w/ E!, TX81Z, Micron, AN1X, Waldorf Blofeld, Alesis QSR, Proteus /2, Poly-800, Poly-61, Ensoniq Mirage.
User avatar
RichF
Senior Member
Posts: 435
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:21 am
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Contact:

Post by RichF »

Yes. There's a common LFO (with sample & hold), frequency modulation, and a common step sequencer. That step sequencer is loaded with potential... When combined with AMS, it becomes a huge palette of modulation options.
Richard Formidoni
Megakazbek
Junior Member
Posts: 92
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:58 am

Re: Why only 2 Oscs?

Post by Megakazbek »

Biopharmer wrote:All of Korg's VAs, including the AL-1, only have 2 oscillators. Why? Would it kill them to add a third?
MOD-7 has 7 oscs (including PCM oscillator).
Sina172
Platinum Member
Posts: 1194
Joined: Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 am

Post by Sina172 »

...
Last edited by Sina172 on Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:26 am, edited 1 time in total.
ozy

Post by ozy »

and imagine the power when you own 18 Kronos! wow!
Sina172
Platinum Member
Posts: 1194
Joined: Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 am

Post by Sina172 »

...
Last edited by Sina172 on Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Jon Lord
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:41 pm
Location: Sweden

Post by Jon Lord »

Sina172 wrote:
ozy wrote:and imagine the power when you own 18 Kronos! wow!
Actually its 20. :D

8 61 Notes, 4 73 Notes (for backup) and 8 88-Notes.

Sina
You really have that many varioations of all keyboards, I've heard rumors ;), care to share a picture of your studio? sorry for offtopic
Image - Download & share Korg keyboard patches for free.
Korg M3-73 (Radias Exb & Warwick "RC 21728 B" case), Clavia Nord Electro 3.
[On Hold]: Elka MK-88. [Sold]: Roland XP-30, Access Virus C

ozy

Post by ozy »

Jon Lord wrote:I've heard rumors ;), care to share a picture of your studio?
come on, JonLord, don't spoil the fun!

The joke of the week is currently taking him to face value, wind him up and see what happens.

Next week we'll revert to checking his inventory and unwinding him :wink:

Both way he's a wind-up puppet
Sina172
Platinum Member
Posts: 1194
Joined: Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 am

Post by Sina172 »

...
Last edited by Sina172 on Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:19 am, edited 1 time in total.
Post Reply

Return to “Korg Kronos”