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[AK-Jake]

I've never had access to KARMA, only dabbled with it in the stores.

I haven't heard a peep about Kronos' arpeggiator, outside of KARMA (and I assume they are one and the same). My Triton Extreme had something like 128 set arpeggiator patterns that weren't editable, nor could you create your own. The Roland Fantom G is the same way, however, the Yamaha Motif XF allows you to go in and program your own arps from scratch (or use one of its more than 7000 preset arp patterns). Then again, word on the street is that Yamaha somehow "patented" programmable arp technology, so no one else can put that in unless they pay Yamaha for the right to do so. My gut feeling is that KARMA is Korg's "way around" this.

Anyone heard anything on this matter? I'm getting a Kronos regardless, so this isn't a deal killer for me, just trying to understand better.

Thanks.

[Synthoid]

[ozy]

[X-Trade]

[danatkorg]

[dokido]

I use my programmable M50 arp to controll Karma of my M3. In that way I get a great variabilty. You cannot let the internal sequenser control karma in M3. I suppose its the same with kronos? But I wonder, AL-1 do have an arp, if it can control Karma? Well, I suppose its a question for Steve though.
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[danatkorg]

[dokido]

oh yes the polysix it was, ok, thanks anyway
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[StephenKay]

[gjvti]

[Synthoid]

[AK-Jake]

Absolutely awesome replies here, folks. Thanks!

Regarding Yamaha "patenting programmable arps," I can list 3 names (I won't) and provide actual emails (again, I won't) from ROLAND reps at various different levels within the company telling me that the reason the Fantom G doesn't have programmable arps is because "Yamaha patented that feature." When I asked them how something so rudimentary could be legally patented, they had no answer. Additionally, I've raised this point over at the Motifator.com forums and had people--Yamaha employees included--chirp in and talk about it, confirming it. That's where my "word on the street" cred is coming from. Sounds like there's some bad information being spread around, and I'm a bit more inclined to believe "the truth" from Korg rather than from Roland...let's face it, Roland's customer service is hardly top-notch, and Yamaha has had some serious internal communication issues in the past...even as recently as this past September in my case.

As far as the programmable arps in the Triton Extreme, SHWEET...I'll have to dig in to the global settings (and my users manual) to learn how to do this. Thanks for setting me straight!

To go back to Dan Phillips' original reply, I didn't quite understand his answer: the Kronos will have programmable KARMA arpeggiators provided you buy the software, but NOT programmable internal arps? Or will it be the same type of progammable arp that came from the Triton/M50 products PLUS KARMA?

Sorry to seem dense, just trying to understand this.

[X-Trade]

KARMA is the arpeggiator. And some of its 'GEs' (generated effects) include emulations of basic arpeggation and such as found on the triton.

There is a GE type which emulates the parameters of a Triton style programmable arp, although you'll only be able to program it fully in the software.

It all depends on your definition of 'program'. KARMA GEs have parameters which are exposed on the workstation - you can vary the rhythmic pattern and swing and all kind of things using the sliders - makes it great particularly for electronic improvisation and more general 'jamming' - and on the screen. But if you want to create your own GEs which go in depth of programming patterns and other things then you'll need to get the software. Including if you simply want to convert a straight pattern or riff into a GE.

You use the software for accessing the hundreds of parameters not available straight on the keyboard, to make your own GEs.

A GE is not just a straight pattern, it is more of a system in itself, a starting point. There are lots of places you can go just within the same GE.


Additionally, the polysix engine has a built in arpeggiator, just a simple one like on the original polysix.
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[AK-Jake]

Got it. Thanks, bud.

[T7]

I would much rather have a traditional programable arpeggiator alongside KARMA, than mimic one using the 'build a ship in a bottle' approach with KARMA GEs or the KARMA PC software.