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amit
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I don't think so,
but if you have some time why don't go through the software documentation:
http://www.karma-lab.com/karmasoft/kk/files/KARMA_Kronos_Help_2.2.11.pdf
http://www.karma-lab.com/karmasoft/kk/docs.html
This will give you better idea of how Karma works and what all you can do with that.
on another note, if it's up to Korg how to do it, they could just have added an arp mode in the existing step sequencer along with chord detection and some basic parameters. No need to re-invent the wheel, but again that might have left that in hind sight or that just might not have been possible.
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Aziz1008
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Well, thank you, the main reason I ask you is that I don't have time, nor Karma software.
Are you sure, or is it just your assumption that it cannot be done?
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StephenKay
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| Aziz1008 wrote: | Still no reply, as if no one is interested, and.. It is impossible, because from the very start mr Kay had licensed Karma to Korg under conditions that they incorporate only Karma player into their keyboards, leaving Karma "recorder" to his revenue as an external software. That's why Korg will never include a Karma editor into Kronos - this point seems to be a part of Karma's license.
So, my personal subjective conclusion is as follows - don't wait for Karma editor in Kronos, it will never happen, due to Karma license restrictions. |
Not true. The license has nothing to do with it.
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| Aziz1008 wrote: | Can this software program a custom GE, which uses Karma switches on the keyboard as a step pattern input, and the sliders as a step's pitch value?
Then we could use this GE as a mono programmable arpeggiator. Is this possible? |
It might be possible. A Drum GE "Melodic Type" has rows which specify note numbers. You could control a total of 21 input pitches from the 32 GE RT Parameters, which can in turn be assigned to real-time controllers.
Given that there are 21 (an odd number), it might be more useful to use 16 of them and look at it as a programmable 16 note step sequencer. I'm out of town at the moment, but it's an interesting idea and I may take a look at it when I get back, see how practical it might be when set up like that.
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Aziz1008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot Mr. Stephen for all your work and reply, you've definitely inspired me!
If you succeed, I hope you will generously share that long awaited custom "step sequencer" GE with us here)
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Aziz1008
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Have found Stephen's post on the subject:
| Quote: | | Let me reiterate this again, very loudly: I ALREADY HAVE WRITTEN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW KORG TO INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CREATE GES DIRECTLY FROM PORTIONS OF A SEQUENCER TRACK OR PATTERNS TAKEN FROM THOSE TRACKS, BUT THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT. IT'S NOT MY DECISION. |
So, happily, I was wrong, and there is a chance. My apologies for being so suspicious))
I cannot find that drum GE, "Melodic type", could anyone tell its exact number to dial?
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StephenKay
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| Aziz1008 wrote: | | I cannot find that drum GE, "Melodic type", could anyone tell its exact number to dial? |
It's not a specific GE. I was speaking generally.
There are 4 GE "Types", with "Drum" being one of them. A Drum GE can be used for drums, or be used for notes (melodic). Actually, this relates to the RTC Model that is applied to the GE and how the parameters are set up. So "Melodic Drum GEs" are used for riffs and arpeggios (not drums per se).
So what I was saying is that a custom Melodic Drum GE could perhaps be set up with control over the notes in the sequence like a step sequencer (sort of). I was not saying that one of these exists in the current factory voicing (it doesn't).
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Aziz1008
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I see, thank you for clarification Stephen.
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Aziz1008
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Are there any news on this idea, anyone?
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| Savante wrote: | | I would trade Karma on the Kronos for the programmable arpeggiator in Krome in a heartbeat. |
+1
I miss the Korg Triton programmable arpeggiator.
Can't understand how such a thing doesn't come standard in a flagship workstation like the Kronos.
Should be considered for eventual next OS updates
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Aziz1008
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Hi, Stephen, could you check this idea we discussed earlier?
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amit
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There are a lot of hardware synths that do have an arp, but no karma!!!
My pulse 2 analog synth also has an arp with Midi out , so that is one device I can tell works for sure.
If you bring an iPad as an instrument into the equation, you can have much much more.
There is also the karma software. Sorry if I don't get it, but while a lot would spend $3K on a synth, even sound libraries, but won't on some software tools that extend the absolute functionality, that developer(s) has put in countless hours in making.
Maybe Korg should provide that software free, sure but what about the developer and their ROI? If Korg were to raise the price of Kronos by $500 and as well to pay the developers of software extension tools, how about that?
How would you like if you were made to pay for some of the extension tools that you don't need?
Everything boils down to $$$, like it/agree or not. Eventually that is going to drive business decisions and what goes in and what not; ( provided if that at all is feasible within current spec constraints, and its impact on other critical processes/resources)
Korg may in fact have given a serious consideration to the requested features, and found them unfeasible, due to what I said above. We won't know about it nor are we required to.
It's fine to wish for features, however there are way too many other variables in the equation that we dont know about. I am glad that KORG is still managing to bring in whatever new enhancements to Kronos is software when possible.
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Aziz1008
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have bought the Karma software, and now manage to create a arpeggiator GE which can use sliders to input pitches and buttons to mute notes. But all I've succeeded - to make slider 2 change pitch of a note in a note sequence. So I'm asking Stephen if he could create such a Kronos user programmable GE.
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Aziz1008
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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If even Stephen, the Karma creator says he needs to experiment with Karma to tell whether it can be programmed for user pattern input, then what to speak of us.. Karma software lacks a clear written scheme of its hierarchy, to see what controls what, otherwise it is completely try and error useless approach to learning it.
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Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
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