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[Vlad_77]

The comparison between the unfinished OS of the Fantom G and the lack of an editor for Kronos is ludicrous. Fantom G owners are still waiting for an update that I think will remain vaporware. Roland ALSO took a deserved black eye from the failure to develop ARX.

But, with Kronos, you CAN do everything in terms of editing. Yes, it CAN be cumbersome, but, you CAN do it and out of the box, Kronos is doing a LOT better with user satisfaction than the Fantom G did at its release. Come on folks, do you not remember that out of the box, Roland's new flagship did NOT include multisampling??

Patience man patience!! Think of the Fantom G owners and their failed ARX and lack of OS update, and even more so, be happy you have a Kronos. We are so lucky in that we mortals essentially have an OASYS with some added amazing bits. No I am not a Korg fanboy. I am merely stating that this WHINING about the lack of an editor is simply puerile. So sue Korg for using an inaccurate verb tense, or, sell your Kronos to me. I have one and would love another.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
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[jahrome]

What's ludicrous is the fact individuals can't read. No one is directly comparing the Fantom G's OS and the lack of Kronos having the advertised editor. And you are a Korg-fanboy based upon your passionate response. (not that it is a bad word).

I made my fair share of jokes at the expense of Roland. But Korg has some things to address as well outside of the falsely advertised editor such as the onboard sequencer which is not up to the standard set by the M3 (they keyboard I wouldn't take if they were giving it away).

By the way...in before the lock.
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[Vlad_77]

Jahrome,

I was not addressing you directly. In fact it was in reading your initial enthusiasm for Kronos that actually built my confidence and your early words were true. I do however resent the fact you imply I cannot read. Go through the thread and you will see a post that DOES compare the lack of an editor in Kronos with the lack of a crucial OS update from Roland.

Jahrome, if you look at my sig, you will see that I have TWO pieces of Korg gear. I have been playing Rolands and switching in Kurzweils. The Wavestation EX I do have I am donating to a school so that some underprivileged kids can have an instrument to play on. I am a fanboy of MUSIC my friend.

As to the sequencer and other issues, I would say that yes these are needed. I would also add that if you compare the presence of Korg reps here and Dave Weiser's presence at Sonikmatter for Kurzweil versus the LACK of presence on the part of Roland at Roland Clan, I would offer that we Korg users have a better chance to be heard and indeed Dan HAS and does answer questions. Roland should HIRE Artemiy Pavlov actually. I am convinced he knows Roland instruments better than Roland

Time will tell concerning the updates and the editor of course. The only point I was trying to make in the end Jahrome was asking that we have a bit of patience. The Kronos even for its shortcomings is in my opinion a wonderful instrument. Our mileages may vary and that is cool. The more time I spend with this instrument the more I realize that it has filled a need in my home studio and live rig such that barring a bargain on a used Kronos in six months, I can say that that my keyboard rig is complete.

If the editor never comes out I will not hate Korg. But, I recognize that that for you the editor is important and that too is cool. I suppose from years of programming Kurzweils which admittedly have a byzantine interface that I am not really in need of an editor; the Kronos IS easier to navigate.

I like your posts Jahrome but I do take issue with your implication of my reading comprehension and that you have taken an observation written in good spirit as an attack on you. That is not the case.

In closing, I again thank you for your early posts on Kronos. You were one of the first here to actually play one and reading your impressions was quite instrumental if you will pardon the pun in my choosing Kronos over the XF.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
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[jahrome]

@Vlad_77
I am sorry if you are offended. But I went back and re-read my comments. You should do the same. I did not...I repeat..I did not compare Kronos lack of an editor to the Fantom G's OS. You are taking my comments out of context.

But I will explain it again. We were talking about other workstations having editors upon being released. Fantom G was one of them. The Kronos not having the advertised editor is a gripe. There are several other gripes with Kronos as well (both hardware and software). When I mentioned the Fantom G, I was talking about my gripes with the workstation and the OS. I did not give any other specifics. And I didn't compare it to Kronos' missing editor. The "black eye" I spoke of was about general gripes. I can't explain it to you any clearer than that.

But while we are on the subject...my gripes with the Fantom is the way it organizes files on the hard drive; the way it doesn't take full advantage of the mouse (Kronos doesn't provide support for a mouse), and the fact it doesn't have all of the Fantom Xs sample editing tools. None of these functions on my Fantom G wishlist was advertised by Roland. Again, this has nothing to do with Kronos' missing editor.
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[RonF]

Great post Vlad_77!

As a Fantom G owner, I will just throw my opinion in the ring that there is NO comparison between the failed delivery of the FG OS updates, as there is to the KRONOS editor. No doubt....the editor will arrive in a reasonable period of time. And it will ADD a slick new feature to the already FULLY functional KRONOS. The FG on the other hand has been crippled since its birth. In many ways I still love the FG for what it can do and do well. But, in particular with its sequencer, it is simply crippled....such a shame as it had the genuine potential to be the ultimate workstation if it only functioned as it should (for example as the MV8800 DID function).

I can fully respect jahrome's opinion here....in that a promise....heck, more than a promise...a commitment was made when KORG spec'ed the editor on its website. So....point fully taken. However, from a more practical point of view....in a world where everything doesn't always happen as it "should"....I learned right up front....from jahrome in fact (in his original new KRONOS thread) that the editor was not delivered with product or available yet. I know enough to research my >$3000 purchases before I drop the cash, by reviewing forums and asking questions. I made my purchase with my eyes wide open to the simple facts, and I have faith that the editor will arrive soon.

Its fair for anyone to have an opinion on this matter....but at the end of the day, it just one of those things.....it happens. As deficiencies of keyboard releases go.....this is a fairly mild one, IMHO.
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[jahrome]

As a Fatom G and Kronos owner...the G has a better sequencer. I will write another thread to go into specific details why I feel this way.
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[BillW]

[cello]

Have to say, I've kinda lost the thread of this, erm, thread...
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[jahrome]

[Mystic38]

+1

as a new machine, sold at a premium price, the Kronos should be better than the competition across the board. it isnt.

so in fact... comparisons such as these are the WAY to create the wish list for future updates!.... they are not knee jerk left field extractions or pie in the sky ideas .. but an objective identification of comparative feature shortfalls to the competition.. by someone with extensive knowledge of both machies.. we need the same for the motif XF... or is "not as good as a 3yo synth" good enough"?

IMO Korg will not spend R&D $$$ to update the os to improve or add new features if there is not identification and rationale for those changes... this is that process... and, given I dont recall anyone taking issue with jahrome highlighting in depth how good the sampling section was... lets let objectivity flourish.

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[BillW]

That's what the Kronos "Wish List" sticky is for.
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[jahrome]

[RonF]

Well FWIW....as both a KRONOS and Fantom G user/owner....I cannot absolutely concur that the FG sequencer is better than KRONOS. In some ways it is....in others KRONOS is better. FG certainly could be the best, by a long mile, its all right there in the hardware and foundation of the software.... but its crippled in some critical ways. Of course, same could be said about the KRONOS, and if it had the M3 Xpanded features, it would be much closer to excellent....but still it would not rise to the potential of the Fantom G's user interface.......again...the POTENTIAL (never realized). This strictly relates to the sequencer. In most every other way, KRONOS rules the FG. All IMHO of course.
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[synthguy]

[jahrome]